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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:28 am |
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9 times out of 10 a soft pedal after bleeding brakes is down to incorrectly bleeding the system.
As for finding if a seal is blown, have a look for signs of leakage on the drum rear plates, around the calipers or dripping down the servo. You can usually tell if it's on one of corners by having a look on the inside of the wheel and seeing if there is any brake fluid visible. If there is, get it off as soon as possible to avoid damage to the wheel or the tyre.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:49 am |
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| Addaz wrote: |
| Sounds like incorrect bleeding |
Whats the betting the pedal was pushed to the floor during bleeding which in turn can flip the seal in the master cylinder ruining it.
I always use the Eezibleed.
As for a non ABS 206 right hand drive the brakes should be bled starting at the back axle with the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:56 pm |
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thanks for the feedback
can not see any leaking
and to be honest i didnt know what i was doing, i was following the lead of a friend (wont do that again!)
will be borrowing a Eezibleed kit hopefully this will sort it if the seal has not gone?
will start with the rear brakes this time and let you know how i get on
if the seal has gone does this mean be caliper?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:01 pm |
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| anton1989 wrote: |
will be borrowing a Eezibleed kit hopefully this will sort it if the seal has not gone?
will start with the rear brakes this time and let you know how i get on
if the seal has gone does this mean be caliper? |
You MUST drop the air pressure down to 15 psi or less with the Eezibleed else you can damage the hydraulic circuit / damage seals inside the master cylinder.
The master cylinder is attached to the brake fluid hydraulic reservoir.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:31 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| anton1989 wrote: |
will be borrowing a Eezibleed kit hopefully this will sort it if the seal has not gone?
will start with the rear brakes this time and let you know how i get on
if the seal has gone does this mean be caliper? |
You MUST drop the air pressure down to 15 psi or less with the Eezibleed else you can damage the hydraulic circuit / damage seals inside the master cylinder.
The master cylinder is attached to the brake fluid hydraulic reservoir. |
Was going to tell him that when he comes! 
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:45 pm |
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Oops misse the bit about no ABS ... sorry.
[quote="anton1989"if the seal has gone does this mean be caliper?[/quote]
It's more likely to be the one on the master cylinder. If it was the caliper it would be leaking fluid. If the master it may have turned insode out and just isn't making any pressure ...
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:54 pm |
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so if worst case its the one in the master cylinder do i need to replace it or can it be fixed?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:04 pm |
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| anton1989 wrote: |
| so if worst case its the one in the master cylinder do i need to replace it or can it be fixed? |
Replacement master cylinder time.
There's very few people on here I would actually trust to have the knowhow & skill to reseal a master cylinder.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:25 pm |
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2 man brake bleeding takes a long time to complete.
it took us a good few hours to get it done when i change both front calipers
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:29 pm |
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ok, well there is a 206 being broke near me so can get hold of 1 for free. easy to replace?
would it be simple as replace, then bleed (correct way this time lol)
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:33 pm |
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Wait..
It's not certain that the seal is gone. If the pedal was not pressed in-sync with the opening of the nipples
even once, that could have let air in as well.
I would try bleeding again really, then start looking at replacing things.
And take a good while over it with the correct sequence of sides etc.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:45 pm |
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i though is like this:
nipple close->brake->open nipple for a sec->close nipple->release brake->repeat (?)
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:48 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
i though is like this:
nipple close->brake->open nipple for a sec->close nipple->release brake->repeat (?) |
Exactly.
Miss a step and it can cause air to go in I think.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:50 pm |
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You can also reverse bleed the brakes with the correct equipment BUT lets not get ahead of ourselves 
A session with the Eezibleed should sort this.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:52 pm |
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will be using the bleeding kit next time, will see how it goes and let everyone know
thanks, helpful as always
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