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 Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:59 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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I spoke to Ecosse about it yesterday and they put it down to an alternator or battery problem.
The problem is that they are 200 miles away from me!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:05 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Ring y0
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Yeah but if something is wrong then you deserve to have it put right!
Ask them to come get your car with their transporter?
It didn't have an alternator or battery problem when it went in did it?
Don't let them fob you off, at the end of the day you pay their wages with the work you give them, and they should be doing every thing in their power to make sure cars are of a standard the client would expect before they let them out of the workshop!
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:07 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3085
Trade Rating: +12
Location: Essex
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The ECU requires over 9volts at cranking to fire up the engine.... when you are running it is easy to see if the alternator is charging by checking with a meter at the battery. 13-14.5 volts is good. But I am sure I am teaching you how to suck eggs mate.
Please insist on them taking it back for look see. That graph is all I need to see the map is wrong. If you want some back up... I will ring and speak to them as well. I hate it when companies take your money and run 
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:27 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Ring y0
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Looking at the graphs it is obvious it was rushed/bodged. Eg the time it was mapped, the wheel drag, the kink.
It produces the same torque as a standard GTi180 now...
Seems they've sacrificed torque for "peak bhp" figures...
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:32 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 973
Trade Rating: +6
Location: Bournemouth/Cardiff
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| Edward wrote: |
I spoke to Ecosse about it yesterday and they put it down to an alternator or battery problem.
The problem is that they are 200 miles away from me! |
Don't let them fob you off. As someone else mentioned, did it have this problem when it went in? I doubt it, knowing how meticulous you are.
They had a duty of care over your vehicle, not to even mention the amount you spent on it! I'd be kicking up a gigantic fuss. Don't just leave it as it is, especially as you were so looking forward to getting it done.
Do something about it mate.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:59 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 468
Trade Rating: +6
Location: Telford
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Have been looking forward to seeing the results of this and tbh i am gutted for you mate  , was expecting big. I'm not really in the know with all this engine mapping stuff but something doesn't sound good or look right.
At the end of the day you've spent alot of money with ecosse and i think they should take another look at it until your happy. They've got a good reputation and i doubt they'd risk it over this tbh.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:47 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Reading
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My concern is that if you leave it you could damage something, clearly it isn't running right.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:33 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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Took it out earlier this afternoon and all was fine. I just needed it to build my confidence with it playing up yesterday...can't explain what it was doing yesterday.
I've been looking at new cars already. Looking at a 56 plate Golf...
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:37 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Bristol
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its such a shame i bet you wish you never got it done now.
as people have said before tho ecosse sould be helping you out here its not like its a £20 on the side job.
its alot of money and its not what your expecting.
if everything is right you sould really be able to tell 160bhp to 216bhp surly
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:42 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Under your bed
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| Edward wrote: |
I've been looking at new cars already. Looking at a 56 plate Golf... |
Not tempted by something more fun? 
As a succesor to the 206?
Read: My pm 
I had an '07 golf for about 4 months, 2.0 TDi version, then the '06 1.9TDi, and now have use of an '09 GTD. None of them particularly impress me or stand out at anything. Just more of an everyday standard car! The kick of the GTD is fairly hard though admittedly....
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:48 am |
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I just want a dull car to go to work in. It just needs to be smart and comfortable...(I do like VW build quality though...) doesn't need to be fast either.
My experience of 200+bhp cars have all had turbos which give big mid range torque. What does a N/A engine with over 100bhp / litre feel like?
Half the problem is the noise it makes. Pulling away from lowish speed in 2nd gear just results in slow acceleration and lots of noise from both the exhaust and engine. Then it starts to pull better with even more noise...and it's giving me a headache!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:04 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Reading
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Are you going to sell it?
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:07 pm |
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I was thinking about it this morning!!! I dunno. I would like to keep it in the garage all winter and let it just come out in the summer. I might just not need it though...so who knows what will happen long term.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:10 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Trade Rating: +19
Location: West mids
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like you said ed keep it for summer and get it on the track and use that higher up power.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:17 pm |
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Location: Under your bed
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| Edward wrote: |
I just want a dull car to go to work in. It just needs to be smart and comfortable...(I do like VW build quality though...) doesn't need to be fast either.
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The quality inside is good yeah, occasionally things to go tits up in them, but so do all cars.
| Edward wrote: |
My experience of 200+bhp cars have all had turbos which give big mid range torque. What does a N/A engine with over 100bhp / litre feel like?
Half the problem is the noise it makes. Pulling away from lowish speed in 2nd gear just results in slow acceleration and lots of noise from both the exhaust and engine. Then it starts to pull better with even more noise...and it's giving me a headache! |
Turbos are nice, not my cup of tea personally but still. I'm not entirely sure I've ever driven an N/A engine with more than 100/litre.
Mine only has a measly 68/litre as N/A. How loud really is the car? I can imagine the exhaust note is now amplified by the fact it's bringing in more air and giving a louder bang, which isn't great as I remember you saying it was already loud enough in the first place!
I can also say I've only ever driven or been in 2 cars with TB's, and they were loud, one was a 2.2, and the other a 2.0, and not that I don't like the noise, but at least with forced induction you can turn the noise off and on with the loud pedal, with the TB's it felt more like it was loud ALL the time and you had no choice with regards to harshness of acceleration at all.
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