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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:17 pm |
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Hi i have a 53 1.6 xsi with 53,000 on the clock but the cambelt has never been changed as far as i know 206 cambelts need to be changed either 80,000 miles or 10 years old whichevers first? (correct me if im wrong) and as mine is coming up for 10 years old should getting it changed be top priority or can i afford to get it done in a few months? ive examined the belt and its in pretty good condition with no frays or anything.
Also, when driving the car you can hear a noise which increases with speed it sounds like its coming from the passenger wheel so i pressume its wheel bearings? the noise seems to quiten when going round a corner its definately not gearbox or anything. any advice much appreciated cheers guys
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:29 pm |
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If there's been no record of the cambelt being changed, then i would be getting it changed, might aswell get the water pump changed at the same time for the sake of a few bolts and 40 odd quid. It could well be the wheel bearing on its way out, jack up the car and check for play in the wheel at 12 and 6 o'clock position and listen to hear for any rumbling/rough noises when rotated.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:42 pm |
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Joined: May 25, 2011
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tbh i have never heard of any cambelt lasting for 10 yrs normaly 4/5 yrs max normaly the rubber gets brittle due to the heat of the engine and then they snap long before 10 yrs. personly i would change it ASAP
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:45 pm |
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My real experience is with Alfas and Alfa halved their cam belt interval from 72,000 / 6 years to 36,000 / 3 years. That was after they paid out on a lot of engine repairs following belt failures.
For the 206 the Haynes manual says something like, "while the belt interval is 80,000 miles it is strongly recommended to change the belt every 40,000 miles. Short journeys will affect the life of the belt and the owner should take that into account deciding when the belt should be changed."
You don't hear horror stories about belts like you do with Alfas but I would change the belt as soon as you can and do the water pump as suggested.
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Last edited by kandlbarrett on Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:58 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:57 pm |
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Ok cheers for that everyone will get it.done as soon as i can!
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:10 pm |
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Whats a fair price "all in" to have both done?
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:24 pm |
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As an absolute guess £300.
Parts are about £100 bought as a full belt kit and water pump. 4hrs for the job at about £50 per hour?
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:21 pm |
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Joined: Dec 19, 2012
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Location: Sussex
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Cambelts
TU Engine Series (1.0, 1.1, 1.4, 1.6) excluding 16v ~ £180
XU Engine Series (1.9td, 1.9d, 2.0 8v, hdi etc ~ £230
Gti6 & TU 16v (eg 106 gti, Saxo VTS) ~ £270
Camshaft and crankshaft oil seals – Extra £45 (excluding gearbox end)
Aux/Fan belts from £8 if fited with cambelt, otherwise a further £20 labour.
www.krisb.co.uk/category/pricing/
edit* Cambelt prices include Waterpump, Idlers/Tensioners and Coolant, Also warranty
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:41 pm |
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There you go and it looks like he does them regularly so you should get a proper job and not one that uses tippex to put everything back where it came.
Advertising on the forum he can't afford to get a bad reputation.
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| Morris 1000, Austin 1100, Escort Mk2, Fiat Mirafiori, Alfa 33, Alfa GT Junior, Alfasud, Alfetta GTV (2x), Alfa 164 3.0 V6, Alfa 164 2.0, Alfa 75 V6, Alfa 156 2.4 (diesel remapped 200bhp), Alfa 147 GTA (3.6 295bhp), Alfa 159 (diesel remapped 245bhp 300ft.lbs @ 2500rpm)
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:19 pm |
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Mine is 90k and 12 years old, not sure if mine has been changed but need to get around to it at some point, £100 for the parts? blimey do you NEED to change the water pump?
And there is nothing wrong with the tippex method!!! My dad bought all the locking tools etc for his ford galaxy, in the end with all that b******s, he just tippexed it and it took minutes!
I'm wanting to sort out this oil leak from the gearbox before I spend the money on a cambelt.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:03 pm |
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Advice on belt change from Hayners is:-
"While the belt interval is 80,000 miles it is strongly recommended to change the belt every 40,000 miles. Short journeys will affect the life of the belt and the owner should take that into account deciding when the belt should be changed."
If you have done 90k and 12 years on the original belt you have probably been quite lucky but I don't hear horror stories about these destroying belts like other manufacturers / models.
The tippex method does work but if you do it that way how do you know the person before you didn't get the timing wrong and you have just duplicated their mistake. Cars have even left the factory with incorrect timing that has only been corrected at first belt change.
No you do not NEED to change the pump but if it fails soon after belt change you will swear quite loudly.
Some pumps do fail after belt change and I have a theory on that. The new belt gets fitted and being new puts extra pressure on the pump bearings. This is enough for a tired pump to give up.
I know when money is tight this kind of decision is tough rarely a right or easy answer.
Good luck which ever way you choose.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:51 pm |
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I saw a vide of some bloke setting the timing by putting drill bits through holes in the cam pulley and crank pulley, i suppose with that you don't even need to do the tippex method?
Can you replace bearings in the water pumps?
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:32 pm |
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Location: Spalding
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| vanepico wrote: |
Mine is 90k and 12 years old, not sure if mine has been changed but need to get around to it at some point, £100 for the parts? blimey do you NEED to change the water pump?
And there is nothing wrong with the tippex method!!! My dad bought all the locking tools etc for his ford galaxy, in the end with all that b******s, he just tippexed it and it took minutes!
I'm wanting to sort out this oil leak from the gearbox before I spend the money on a cambelt. |
I would always change the pump now! First Cambelt change on my Astra I didn't. Two months later the pump failed and wrecked the belt. So had to pay again for a cambelt and water pump change.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:42 pm |
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I've found a nice looking one for £17 online, what do you think?
Do you know anything about whether I have the 20 tooth or the 18 tooth variant? 2000 1360cc petrol lx?
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:07 pm |
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Joined: Jul 13, 2012
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It's true, Peugeot confirmed to me the cambelt is to be replaced every 10 years or 80,000 and 70,000 in arduous conditions but nonetheless still 10 years.
I have a warranty on mine (with no sneaky excesses or upfront payments needed) which it says in black and white will replace the cambelt and repair any damage to other parts caused by the cambelt failure, if I can prove it has been serviced within the guidelines (which it has, with full service stamps on my service book) and I if I can prove that I have have stuck to the guidelines re the cambelt (which I have, I have on letterheaded paper a letter from Peugeot saying they recommend every 10 years or 80,000 miles)
For me it's simple, I'll wait until the 10 years is up and if it goes before, I'm covered anyway.
But for you lot who stand to lose a lot more than I do should the cambelt go, I would probably agree that I'd have it done a lot sooner. I'd be too scared that I'd be faced with a bill well in excess of £1,000 just for the sake of my stupidity.
Unless you've covered your ass like me, stay well within the guidelines, don't just take it up to the limit. Cambelts do sometimes fail early.
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