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 Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:17 am |
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Read a lot about these and I know theyre expensive but does anyone have both of these fitted and what are the total gains? I know you will say turboing is better value but thats not an option as £2500 is the very top of my budget I wont be saving anymore. I know some have throttle bodies and some have cat cams but does anyone have both.. friends, youtube vids etc?
What sort of gains will both of these give me in total on a GTI 180?
I've noticed that most hot hatches sit bang below a 7 second sprint to 60 so if I can be amongst these Ill be happy.
Clio 172/182/197, Corsa VXR, Audi TT 225, A3 A4 and A1 TFSI, 207 GTI, the RCZ 210, 208 GTI, Golf GTI, Polo GTI, - theyre all either 6.8 or 6.9 seconds despite varying BHP and engines.
In terms of straight line speed, for example a drag strip, will throttle bodies and cat cams with a custom remap put me bang on par with these (or better)?
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:24 am |
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You realise 0-60 times are total b******s right?
There's nothing between a 172 or 182 and a gti 180 in a straight line.
I'm not sure that £2500 would get you both cat cams a an ITB setup on a 180, I seem to think that the 180 needs a standalone ECU to run ITB's to, could be wrong on that though.
And to answer the question im pretty sure you'd see over 200bhp dependent on how well built your engine is.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:56 am |
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If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:06 am |
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Pug1off do throttle bodies with an ECU think its called Kingston or something it's on their website, and cat cam 804s for 2,400 overall inc vat and the optional extras for the bodies think its to do with fitting. I've added them to the basket to see.
I'm also curious as to the gains of this. As per the OP question id be curious to know if anyone else has done this? Does anyone else agree that this set up would get over 200bhp very realistically?
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:19 am |
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If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
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how does fitting smaller wheels make you lose top end speed 
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:32 am |
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| Andy180 wrote: |
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If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
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how does fitting smaller wheels make you lose top end speed |
The same reason a small turbo will spool up quickly and large turbo will boost more but with lag.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:34 am |
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| lee1985 wrote: |
Pug1off do throttle bodies with an ECU think its called Kingston or something it's on their website, and cat cam 804s for 2,400 overall inc vat and the optional extras for the bodies think its to do with fitting. I've added them to the basket to see.
I'm also curious as to the gains of this. As per the OP question id be curious to know if anyone else has done this? Does anyone else agree that this set up would get over 200bhp very realistically? |
Well Kyle had a 180 with out ITB's but with cat cams and made 195BHP so I would hope that ITB's would make more than 5BHP 
Thats a very good price at Pug1Off, if id have know it was that sort of price id have done it myself.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:39 pm |
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You need a bigger budget. To get the best out of it you need long airhorns which means a custom radiator ideally. That means the PAS pump needs swopping for an electric pump. The little bits cost a fortune.
If you just want to go fast then buy another car. If you like tinkering then modify it. I wouldn't do it on an everyday ca either.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:27 pm |
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I think that the only way I am going to get the power I want from my 206 GTI 180 is to supercharge it, but there is no way I can meet the cost in one go, particularly as Ecosse want £6,600.
What I want to do is buy the parts over a couple of months which will act as a kind of monthly payment option for me so I can do it as a medium term kinda thing. Once I've got everything I need I can then find someone who's up to the job of putting it together and obviously pay them for the labour of doing so.
With that in mind, can someone who knows their stuff give me a completely exhaustive list of what I need in order to supercharge it. Don't include optional bits, just everything quite simply necessary and compulsory to supercharge the car. Over the next few months I will then purchase bits at a time until I have everything then boom, it's a car for me.
I am hoping that someone can do this for me as I'm stuck otherwise and this is my final plan - there is no other way to get serious power from a GTI 180.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:56 pm |
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I would settle for 804 cams and leave the rest alone.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:09 pm |
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Or save for a few months then pay Ecosse??
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:14 pm |
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| Tolkienfan001 wrote: |
| Or save for a few months then pay Ecosse?? |
you not read Edwards thread then?
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:20 pm |
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If you saw what ecosse did to the wiring on my car you'd go elsewhere. What's the rest of the car like? Everything else uprated? Suspension, brakes etc?
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:29 pm |
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Joined: Feb 24, 2010
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| Edward wrote: |
| If you saw what ecosse did to the wiring on my car you'd go elsewhere. What's the rest of the car like? Everything else uprated? Suspension, brakes etc? |
I still don't understand how they thought that p**s poor standard was acceptable.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:57 pm |
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Edward I have Eibach pro springs and dampers, a Janspeed exhaust - not got uprated brakes yet.
Can you or someone else give me a full list of all parts needed for supercharging?
Thank you
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