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 Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:54 am |
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Location: Athens, Greece
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Does the air-con green LED light-up when you press the button?
If the wires were cut (quite common down there to catch on something) maybe the fuse got blown if they touched-together.
Refer to the appropriate fuse list to find-out which one it is, and check it with the multimeter, not just visualy.
There should be a relay as well somewhere, make sure that is firing-up. |
Green led light comes on when air con is pressed, I have a Haynes manual and Peugeot 206 handbook but can not find air con fuse.The engine fuse box fuse 21 is for thermostat + automatic regulation air conditioning, there is a live going to that fuse looks fine but I put a new one in anyway. Fuse 29 says air pump not sure what that's for but no fuse in mine so checked for live and its fine so put a 30amp fuse in , but still no joy.I can not find any fuse in the fascia 28 fuse box to do with the air con. |
In the cabin fuse compartment:
F38 should be 5 Amps, that's for the presso-stat for the air-con which drives the compressor clutch, check that.
I wouldn't be putting-in fuses where there wasn't ones before though.
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:13 pm |
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I will check fuse 38 tomorrow and take the missing fuse i have put in out. Many thanks.
Does anybody no if the engine fan should come on when air con is pressed .Thanks
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:29 pm |
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| bikesforme wrote: |
I will check fuse 38 tomorrow and take the missing fuse i have put in out. Many thanks.
Does anybody no if the engine fan should come on when air con is pressed .Thanks |
Yes it should.
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| 1.4i, 2001, 3-door, China Blue
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:14 pm |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| bikesforme wrote: |
I will check fuse 38 tomorrow and take the missing fuse i have put in out. Many thanks.
Does anybody no if the engine fan should come on when air con is pressed .Thanks |
Yes it should. |
That's interesting has my rad fan does not.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:17 am |
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I am trying to compare with my partners air con in her 206 1.4 hdi, but hers not working again today , so it must have a leak.
I would like to get my air con working but the info in the haynes manual dont really help, i think its going to be exspensive to fix and will not be worth it.
I am not sure if the fault is with the engine fan has that does not turn when air con is pressed, so not sure if that would knock the live off to the condenser or not.
A good clear wiring diagram of the air con system would really help if i could find one. If i ever do get it sorted the leak will need doing has the gas recharge i have brought has the oil and leak stopper in it but dont work.
Just need more info on how the air con works so i can trace it back and see where the problem lies, looked on internet and all the info on there is all saying low gas but mine is recharged and fine when i check. Any experts on here .
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:57 am |
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Do you get the compressor unit clutch click in when the car is turned over? Put your head under the bumper, you should see it spinning.
Seems very common for the a/c to go in 206s. My gti one went about 2 years ago. After some diagnostics, the unit was declared dead. Pug want £800 for a new one, eBay want £50ish for a used and garages want about £350 for reconditioned. Then the system will need the contents removed, a/c compressor changing, a/c re-gassed and checked etc. if you can do it yourself great, otherwise, I couldn't justify the money for aircon and left it. Surprisingly, I haven't really missed it too much.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:10 am |
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No i don't get the clicking noise but my engine fan does not come on too and there is no live to the condenser even when gas is ok.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:13 am |
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What happens with engine fan if you put the heaters up on full?
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:22 am |
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| What happens with engine fan if you put the heaters up on full? |
Its still dead, and i don't have a live to the compressor i mean
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:45 am |
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I think getting the system re-gassed by a professional would be your first port of call. Might be £40 or £50 but at least you will know then that the compressor is going to work and give you a better chance to find the fault if one exists.
You might also find that when it's re-gassed, the guy who's doing it could be able to put his finger on anything that is causing the system not to work. Use a self employed guy, they usually do a better job as they rely on customer recommendations to get more work. The big chains rely on customers not knowing anything to create fictitious work.
Has anyone else with A/C been out to their cars yet and measured the values at the compressor with a multimeter? Might answer one question the OP has.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:37 am |
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Checked F38 yet?
Macca has nailed it, air-con specialist will always be the quickest and cheapest route for the system working reliably and repeatedly over a long period of time.
Leaks are usually due to seals drying-up from disuse. There are UV dyes that can pin-point where the leak is but if it's a seal it's worth replacing most of them while you're at it.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 7:39 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| There are UV dyes that can pin-point where the leak is |
Last time I had air con re-gassed, the guy put a dye in which was similar in colour to the stuff F1 teams use to trace the airflow over the wings. A quick look with the UV light showed where he had spilt a bit, but nothing showed up on the joints.
It may be worth running a UV light over the joints, you never know, there may have been a dye in the last refrigerant
I'm not knocking the DIY fix, but it's only a top up. I don't think it's intended to fill an empty system. You need about 700 grams (+/-20 grams) of refrigerant for the system. I've found a tin of EZ Chill that contains 18 ounces (510 grams) so it is possible that you still don't have sufficient refrigerant to allow the compressor to kick in.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:14 am |
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Thanks for replies , there is a slight leak because i need to top up again, i think it would be a waste of money getting it topped up while there is a leak.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:59 am |
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As far as I know, the refrigerant is both odourless and colourless, so you may have trouble locating a leak.
As said, try a UV light to see if there is anything obvious glowing around the joints. If not, you may need to get it re-gassed with the trace dye included to find it.
Kwik s**t do offer a service where if they cannot bring the temp down by 10% then you don't get charged. Maybe worth a visit just to get the leak found. They will probably tell you that you need a new compressor, brake pads and shock absorbers at the same time, but that's just standard bulls**t they come out with.
Personally I would go to an independent service. Most are mobile so will come to you to do it. You may be able to barter a deal with them to find the leak and fix it all in one visit. TBH I think that's your best option if you want the A/C working for summer.
According to the experts, you lose 10% of refrigerant every year. So in 3 years, you will be down to just under what an EZ Chill tin will put in, so this will do the job for a top up on 2 or 3 cars. The recommendation is to have the A/C serviced every 2 years. In 10 years you will have lost 457 grams or around 60%. This isn't even taking into consideration the oil used to lubricate the system.
Then the question comes as to how much refrigerant the system needs to create the pressure for the compressor to operate. This is probably hidden somewhere in the Peugeot computers.
Look on the bright side. If you have no leaks and the compressor is working without a problem, then it could just be the pressure switch that's faulty.
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:10 am |
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I had mine done at kwik fit a few years ago, as the clutch still wouldn't spin after they didn't charge.
Then had it done at a garage without charge with exactly the same results.
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