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Sim

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:33 am

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Hello again,

Car was driving normally this morning, but after 3 miles brake pedal went spongy, less resistance and foot goes all the way down slowly (I never floored it completely though).

The braking power is ok and even (I can stomp on brakes with ABS kicking in), pumping the pedal with engine on brings it back firm as before, but goes spongy again soon after. No change in handbrake feeling/power.

Went another 7miles to mate's and did quick visual check: brake fluid is at its Max mark, no leaks around wheels whatsoever (did lots of pumping beforehand).

I think master cylinder seal is going - is it why the pedal turn so spongy all so sudden?

Is there any point in rebleeding brakes tonight, or should I bring it to garage instead immediately? Can a 206 HDi year 2000 be manually rebled btw ? (I got an EzBleed kit)

Did research on the Internet, here's a summary, given all my symptoms:

Quote::

1. The master cylinder is bypassing.
2. The callipers are bypassing.

You won't see a leak from the MC but you will from the callipers.

No fluid loss = internal seal in the master cylinder.

Fluid loss = leaking seal in one of the slave cylinders

Cheers for any comments to my highlighted questions above, otherwise this post could serve as a guide (and learning material), as there are so many different ways for brakes to fail..


	2.0 HDi, year 2000 (E's restin') Red GTi 180, year 2004 (VorTechS' sEXy Beast (being) remasteRed) Blue GTi 180, year 2004 (in hibernation after endless driving fun in 2019, queued for "cambelt in tight spaces") Missus' 1.6 16v CC, year 2007 (L-plates to P-plates to NO-plates, but now she wants powwer:)) £50 1.4 HDi, year 2002 (seatless transporter, SORNed, rust needs patching) EV Jag S(crapped)- & X-Type GTC VXR (sold)

Last edited by Sim on Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:40 am; edited 3 times in total

Big_Rich180

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:40 am

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Out of curiosity what pads do you have on it?

macca1411

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:40 am

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Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.


	2003 Aegean Blue (KMF) 1.4 Entice 8 valve (Now sold) - 2006 China Blue (EGE) 1.4 Verve 8 valve

V9977

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:48 am

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You need to carefully look at every point on the brake system circuit as even a tiny amount of leakage will do this. It might take a while for it to visibly drip down or reduce the fluid level in the reservoir, or it could be master cylinder as you say. Do not continue driving the vehicle.


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Sim

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:57 am

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Big_Rich180 wrote:

Out of curiosity what pads do you have on it?

Mintex ones, no shims, since July 2012 - still good thick. This year started sticking to the caliper (squeeking) a bit on a hot day at low speeds.

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Ok, so good old pug 306 times of DIY bleeding are over Smile

Thank you V9977, will drop it off at local garage tonight


	2.0 HDi, year 2000 (E's restin') Red GTi 180, year 2004 (VorTechS' sEXy Beast (being) remasteRed) Blue GTi 180, year 2004 (in hibernation after endless driving fun in 2019, queued for "cambelt in tight spaces") Missus' 1.6 16v CC, year 2007 (L-plates to P-plates to NO-plates, but now she wants powwer:)) £50 1.4 HDi, year 2002 (seatless transporter, SORNed, rust needs patching) EV Jag S(crapped)- & X-Type GTC VXR (sold)

LeeThr

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:19 am

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Location: North West Wales

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

gogs_macaulay wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's

Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

The garage
2003 - 206 GTi 138 - Moonstone Blue
2003 - 406 Coupé 2.2 HDi SE - Hyperion Blue
2000 - 206 2L HDi D-Turbo ECO - Cherry Red
1999 - 306 GTi-6 - Blue (haven't worked out if it's Nile or China yet)
1987 - 205 GTi 1.9 - Graphite Gray

I must be mad.....

Big_Rich180

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:29 am

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LeeThr wrote:

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

Why, I thought it was to do with the ABS?

LeeThr

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:40 am

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Big_Rich180 wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

Why, I thought it was to do with the ABS?

Only applies to the ABS system with ESP Wink

Which the only 206 to have was the 180.

gogs_macaulay wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's

Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

Big_Rich180

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:45 am

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LeeThr wrote:

Big_Rich180 wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

Why, I thought it was to do with the ABS?

Only applies to the ABS system with ESP Wink

Which the only 206 to have was the 180.

Ahh right.

V9977

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:54 am

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LeeThr wrote:

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

Sure?


	1.4i, 2001, 3-door, China Blue Repair safely - Drive safely

Sim

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:56 am

Joined: Jun 20, 2012
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Location: West Country

V9977 wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

macca1411 wrote:

Unless you have Peugeot Planet, you can't bleed the brakes.

Only applies to the GTi 180.

Sure?

Where's the Haynes Manual when I need it? Smile

Ah.. left at home Smile


	2.0 HDi, year 2000 (E's restin') Red GTi 180, year 2004 (VorTechS' sEXy Beast (being) remasteRed) Blue GTi 180, year 2004 (in hibernation after endless driving fun in 2019, queued for "cambelt in tight spaces") Missus' 1.6 16v CC, year 2007 (L-plates to P-plates to NO-plates, but now she wants powwer:)) £50 1.4 HDi, year 2002 (seatless transporter, SORNed, rust needs patching) EV Jag S(crapped)- & X-Type GTC VXR (sold)

14hdi

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:00 am

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On non esp you only need PP to bleed the system when the ABS pump has been removed. When on Peugeot planet you can turn the ABS pump on and off while bleeding to remove air from the pump itself.

DREWDEN

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:17 am

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Just checked Haynes manual, it says if dificulty is experienced in bleeding the braking curcuit, on models with ABS, this may be due to air being trapped in the ABS hydraulic system. If this is the case then it should be taken to Peugeot, so the system can be bled using special equipment.


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14hdi

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:02 am

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Just need to plug it into pp2000 and follow the instructions on the screen. Iv done it before, it just tells you what wheel to do then puts the pump on a few times.

Sim

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:42 am

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It looks like my local garage won't take her until Thursday. Until then I'll need to investigate every inch of brake hoses myself tonight and tomorrow.. It's drizzle here in Bristol today - was hard to notice any obvious leaks due to wetness on the bottom of the car


	2.0 HDi, year 2000 (E's restin') Red GTi 180, year 2004 (VorTechS' sEXy Beast (being) remasteRed) Blue GTi 180, year 2004 (in hibernation after endless driving fun in 2019, queued for "cambelt in tight spaces") Missus' 1.6 16v CC, year 2007 (L-plates to P-plates to NO-plates, but now she wants powwer:)) £50 1.4 HDi, year 2002 (seatless transporter, SORNed, rust needs patching) EV Jag S(crapped)- & X-Type GTC VXR (sold)

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