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 Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:49 pm |
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| DREWDEN wrote: |
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So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote? |
In the same boat as yourself, (on my thread) brand new for both sides £70, parts store i deal with, then got a garage to fit them for £40. |
Did the garage also included the tracking for £40?
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:34 pm |
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| very_452001 wrote: |
| Lecktorious wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote? |
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards. |
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel? |
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:42 pm |
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| SinfulDesignCom wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
| Lecktorious wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote? |
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards. |
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel? |
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory. |
Ok what you mean is that changing wishbone on my left side will make left turns handle better than right turns if I don't get both wishbones replaced? If I only get my left wishbone replaced then will it affect driving in straight line?
Does replacing wishbone upset existing tracking setting that's why tracking is done after wishbone replacement?
The ball joint comes with wishbone as standard however I don't see the ball in the pics at the online car part shops?
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:32 pm |
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You are along the right lines, but a better left wishbone will improve right cornering as the weight distribution to thrown to the opposite side... but I'm nit picking - you get the idea.
To labour the point, weaker bushes on one side will affect everything, including braking and acceleration, but your driving style will dictate whether you would notice it or not. Just imagine you had some poor git under your engine holding the wheels to the car...one in each hand.. the equivalency to your conundrum would be to say he had a tighter grip on one side than the other - if that helps you visualise the issue better.
Tracking should always be carried out after wishbone replacement.
You cannot separate the ball joint from the wishbone at all. They are pressed in when fabricated. If you get one without the ball joint you have got the wrong wishbone 
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:35 pm |
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| SinfulDesignCom wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
| Lecktorious wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote? |
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards. |
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel? |
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory. |
thanks for the advice. I shall get my wishbone replaced asap. Lets hope the potholes don't cause me to replace again 
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:40 pm |
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After wishbones, as stated elsewhere, get tracking done. Better still 4 wheel alignment. the rear isn't adjustable but four wheel alignment kit is more accurate than standard 2 wheel and you will only pay for the wheels that are adjusted so it shouldn't cost any more.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:00 pm |
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| very_452001 wrote: |
| DREWDEN wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote? |
In the same boat as yourself, (on my thread) brand new for both sides £70, parts store i deal with, then got a garage to fit them for £40. |
Did the garage also included the tracking for £40? |
That cost is without tracking, if you read my latest post i have decided now that changing my wishbones is not necessary, even though one garage said i had slight play in my o/s one.
If you end up changeing them, drive the car round for a few days, if you have no steering problems and no uneven tyre wear on the front, in my opinion you would not need tracking doing.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:31 pm |
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National Tyres do tracking for £15 these days with the discount voucher on the internet.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:30 am |
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I ordered the wishbone from euro car parts and awaiting delivery. Anyone from birmingham can fit them on for me? Im willing to travel local to get it fitted.
Im willing to pay VAT garage prices if a VAT receipt and warranty is provided otherwise supply me a reasonable quote and I see.
Thanks,
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:39 pm |
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update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 1:18 am |
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| very_452001 wrote: |
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying? |
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools:
 16mm spanner
rubber mallet or hammer
Socket set
tape measure
basic DIY skill
Guide as below:
www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:31 am |
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| kit325 wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying? |
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools:
16mm spanner
rubber mallet or hammer
Socket set
tape measure
basic DIY skill
Guide as below:
www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck! |
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:36 am |
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| very_452001 wrote: |
| kit325 wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying? |
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools:
16mm spanner
rubber mallet or hammer
Socket set
tape measure
basic DIY skill
Guide as below:
www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck! |
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts? |
Normally will be the ball joint at the track rod end that wears out (moving part). Tie rod will be the component link to your steering rack from track rod end and it is just a simple piece of metal (no moving ball joint) hence lower chance of wear out or damage.
Lemford (OEM quality, and just a few pounds more than standard one) will be the brand i recommend you to buy as cheap ones won't last long. Do it right and you will not have to change it again for years to come.
As for tape measure, it will help you to keep your wheel alignment as close to original as it can be after you changed the track rod end. Just a little bit more effort and at least you sure you will be safe to drive it before the wheel alignment.
If you are not confident to do it , leave it to the garage. Since you know how long it takes and how much for the parts, you at least won't be rip off by them.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:43 pm |
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| kit325 wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
| kit325 wrote: |
| very_452001 wrote: |
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying? |
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools:
16mm spanner
rubber mallet or hammer
Socket set
tape measure
basic DIY skill
Guide as below:
www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck! |
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts? |
Normally will be the ball joint at the track rod end that wears out (moving part). Tie rod will be the component link to your steering rack from track rod end and it is just a simple piece of metal (no moving ball joint) hence lower chance of wear out or damage.
Lemford (OEM quality, and just a few pounds more than standard one) will be the brand i recommend you to buy as cheap ones won't last long. Do it right and you will not have to change it again for years to come.
As for tape measure, it will help you to keep your wheel alignment as close to original as it can be after you changed the track rod end. Just a little bit more effort and at least you sure you will be safe to drive it before the wheel alignment.
If you are not confident to do it , leave it to the garage. Since you know how long it takes and how much for the parts, you at least won't be rip off by them. |
what about other brands on euro car parts website instead of Lemforder? Are they better quality than the cheap ebay ones or the same?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 5:36 pm |
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