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 Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:34 am |
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Hi all, thought it was about time i started a build thread, i bought a 206 GTI last year, its a 2000 X reg and had 70k on the clock. so far it has the following mods:
- Full stainless exhaust, this came on the car when i bought it.
- Remapped - Just a standard remap on the standard ECU
- Cold Air Induction Kit.
- Stage 1 performance clutch
- Top strut brace
Last month i had the Cambelt and water pump replaced as well as the stage 1 clutch fitted.
This month will see a few more changes to the car as i have a few parts that are planning to go on the car this month. These include:
- CTM Gas Flowed Head - Inlet ports matched to a 180 inlet
- 180 Inlet manifold and GTI-6 Throttle body to go on
- Direnza 4-2-1 Manifold
- 200 Cell Cat
- Engine and gearbox mount bushes all being replaced, Torque bush being replaced for the Vibra Technics Fast Road/Comp one.
- Front anti roll bar bushes being upgraded to superflex bushes
- Millers 5w40 Racing oile bing used when the new head goes on
- Full Head Gasket kit going on.
Next month im going to try and get it set up on a standalone ECU and have it Dyno tuned.
Future plans will include dropping it 30-40 mm all round and set it up on coilovers.
Im planning to fit 4 pot calipers and 286mm front discs
Bike throttle bodies will go on in the near future (would love some Jenveys but there just too damn expensive).
The plan with the car is to keep it looking pretty standard and have it set up as a street car, as time goes on, i then plan to buy another car as my daily rnner and set this car up as a dedicated track car.
As things progress, ill try and keep this thread updated, as a street car, id like to get the car to just over 200 BHP
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:54 am |
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If you are worried about the cost of Jenvey throttle bodies then you won't be getting near 200 bhp. It costs a lot of money.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:03 am |
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I wouldnt have thought id be a million miles away once i get all the mods completed this month and then going over to Bike Throttle Bodies i would have thought would get me even closer.
Do you really expect to see that bigger difference between fitting Bike Throttle Bodies and Jenveys?
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:05 am |
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Oh and i forgot i also have some Cat Cams going on this month aswell.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:45 am |
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You will need very high duration and lift cams to reach anything near this power...
Jenvey's have a perfect fit, resulting in a optimum flow. Fitting bike throttle bodies isn't as easy as said.
For a road car/daily I recommend keeping the 180 manifold with single throttle body.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:07 pm |
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Thanks, it will be a daily driver but i live about a mile and a half from where i work so can forgoe some of the comfort if i need to.
I perhaps shoud have been clearer in my previous post, its not so much that i couldnt find the money to fit Jenveys, more that they seem very expensive for what you get.
If they are really that much better than bike carbs then it is something i would consider.
Are there other throttle body companies out there that are worth looking at as well as Jenvey?
It seems to me that they are only as expensive as they are because Jenvey do not have a lot of copetition which could push the price down.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:55 pm |
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What you get it something very well made that doesn't need a manifold bodging together to make them fit. You'll save a bit but relative to what you'll be spending overall it's not a significant saving. You can also buy linkages and air horns easily and fuel rails can be plumbed into the standard car system easily.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:56 pm |
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If you just want 200 bhp I'd think about going down the turbo route.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:26 pm |
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Ok 1st thing 1st why do you want this power? Track car? Going all out on a N/A project is expensive as it's all top end so EVERYTHING needs uprating to cope with the higher revs ect.
What size 'bike bodys' are you looking at? By the time you've got all the custom manifold linkages,looms,tps ect it won't be that far off jennvey price mate. smaller bodys are ok for say a 1.6 but a 2.0 needs more air. cams will need changing to say 280' P+P head,matched inlets,bigger injectors,custom ecu,mapping,uprated head inturnals ect then you'll get into 'oh while that's off ill add or do this or that'.
I've had my setup running for nearly 7 years now. Worth every penny but the other options are cheaper with more power eg supercharged 260bhp ish for around 3k.
Lastly insurance don't take it lightly you've gone from 138bhp to over 200. I'd ring up and ask them for a quote or you might end up with a car you can't insure.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:42 pm |
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Yeah it just seemed a cheaper option to go bike TB's, was thinking R1 to ensure they were big enough but like you said by the time you add it up there's probably not that much difference in price and the Jenveys are made for the job, itll just mean saving up a couple of months to get them.
If being completely honest about why i want the power, its a bit of fun and a project for me, eventually it will be a dedicated track car but for now i just want to see what i can get out of it and also improve the acceleration and overall performance of the car. I used to have a Jaguar but had to give it up due to being made redundant. I have another job now but as its so close to where i live i only needed a cheap run around but something that was sporty, the 206 GTI suited that purpose well but i do miss the grunt the Jag had.
Ive already got the insurance sorted, i used to work in insurance for countless years in Broking, Underwriting, Networks and Wholsaling and have that sorted, i know what i can and cant get away with with my current insurer already. The other point i should make is im 33 this year so not exactly a teenager.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:56 pm |
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Good stuff mate. But you'll only get 1 shot at building a n/a engine the only thing I didn't do was forged pistons as the kit was over 1k and I couldn't justify that sort of price at the time. what I did was got hold of a 2nd hand engine that had 32k and had a total rebuild with all the extras added. This way you can have what you want with no rush to get it sorted also when funds alow. You can still drive your car. Then say over a weekend (nor sure on your spanner skils) swap the engine over.
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:30 am |
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I would think about starting with a GTI 180 engine as it has higher compression and a stronger bottom end than the 138. You just have to decide what you're going to do with the VVT and whether that restricts cam choice and reliability.
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 3:56 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| I would think about starting with a GTI 180 engine as it has higher compression and a stronger bottom end than the 138. You just have to decide what you're going to do with the VVT and whether that restricts cam choice and reliability. |
could always blanking off.
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:17 am |
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That's one option yes or keep it and benefit from extra flexibility but to take full advantage and much more expensive ECU is needed.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 10:47 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| That's one option yes or keep it and benefit from extra flexibility but to take full advantage and much more expensive ECU is needed. |
agreed but if he's looking at a full on track build I'd go down the route of solid lifers and 300' cam but for any road driving it's not a good idea lol
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