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 Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:52 am |
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OK this is awkward (and typical!). So we've currently got 2 cars road legal, the black DT that's currently on the drive with a blown turbo and the 180...
Last night we were driving home when we started to hear an intermittent light, metallic scraping/grinding sound from the left front of the car. After checking everything external (personally thought it was a heat shield catching something to start with) and driving a little more, I have a sickening feeling that it's coming from the gearbox/diff area. Gears still seem to shift OK and it's pulling in all gears, noise seems more prevalent in 2nd and now 1st, worse on the overrun but occasionally "catches" on gentle acceleration too.
Has anyone experienced similar and have an idea what it could be? The only issue I've known with PSA manuals is either dissolved synchros from using EP oil (not the case here AFAIK, shifts well & running Total Gear8 80W/90). Or 5th gear working loose on the shaft and jumping out (it's never jumped out of any gear, and I know if they ever jump out of 5th just don't even try it again & get the end cover off/nut tightened and staked).
Only thing out of the ordinary I've noticed is, when running through the gears engine-off at a standstill, the detent/block that usually stops you going directly from 5th to reverse seems to be gone, as in I can shift the thing right from 5th to reverse without letting the lever return to centre first. This worries me a bit, but not as much as the noises it's making!!! Could it be related? What the hell could it be? Synchros all seem fine btw.
Only other "symptom" if you can call it that, is the missus noticed it kind of favours left corners to right lately but I'd put that down to the badger incident and needing to get the alignment checked. Gave all the suspension/steering/brakes a look over and found nothing out of the ordinary there.
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'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:04 pm |
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OK well this has developed in typical "I'm your only working car, how can I frustrate you today" fashion...
Have only done a few gentle-driven miles tonight to get fuel and food, and in that time the intermittent scrape sound has got more frequent and requiring less power to make it happen. Still only seems to be in 1st/2nd but it's definitely got a lot worse in only about 5 miles. Can also feel the graunching through the gearstick slightly.
To better describe the sound, now I've heard it do so for a longer time, it's the sort of noise you get if you were to engage the starter with the engine already running. Very "gear scraping on gear". The last time I heard such a thing, it developed a lot slower (over a couple of weeks/few hundred miles) but that was on a 1.4 K-series Rover 214 so less torque. That was the diff, and it ended with total loss of drive eventually although no holes, BE 'boxes though I think are a bit different in that if they spit a diff they usually lance the case too so hope it holds together for the few trips we need to do.
Looks like I've a gearbox job to do soon as well then... bollox. Fingers crossed the turbo arrives quick before we end up walking haha
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| '02 1.4HDi Mercury Grey 102k (waiting for it's time to shine once more)
'03 GTi 180 Aegean Blue 92k (suffering gearbox/diff issues)
'53 Obsidian Black XUD9TE/veg fuelled b-road toy (in surgery for MoT workarounds)
'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
+'95 Citroen Xantia 1.9D auto (on loan to inlaws)
+'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet
+'97 306 1.9LXDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:19 am |
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Sounds like a job for your local gearbox specialist.
Maybe speak to them first to see if they wanna drive it first - remove the box & leave it with them for repair.
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:57 am |
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We're too cheap (read- too poor!) to go that route, plus I like to have a go at everything myself, so the likely scenario is going to be-: find a good used 'box that'll fit regardless of ratios (possibly the 2.0HDi hi-ratio one we already have, pending linkages/diff splines being the same) and install that for the moment, and strip the original one myself to see what's dying.
To be honest, the way it's behaving I'm thinking diff issues but we'll see.
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| '02 1.4HDi Mercury Grey 102k (waiting for it's time to shine once more)
'03 GTi 180 Aegean Blue 92k (suffering gearbox/diff issues)
'53 Obsidian Black XUD9TE/veg fuelled b-road toy (in surgery for MoT workarounds)
'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
+'95 Citroen Xantia 1.9D auto (on loan to inlaws)
+'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet
+'97 306 1.9LXDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:25 am |
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I recently fitted new front driveshafts to the 1.4i petrol 206. All good, parts fitted no problem,.
When I next had the car on the post lift I noticed the n/s (UK) driveshaft boot, had lost it's clip. Fitted a new clip and rotating the shaft by hand noticed it snagged on every revolution. Luckily the BiL had a clip with a "lower profile" head and that's stayed on (I think). Got an odd tick, tick, tick noise in reverse that increases with speed. I wonder if that is in fact a clip catching but not as yet broken.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:19 am |
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Definitely not a clip sadly, and not an engine mount issue causing something to rub/rattle either (as was the case for someone else the missus spoke to, after rebuilding and then ultimately replacing their gearbox!)
Definitely internal to the 'box, and currently only in 1st/2nd and reverse so thinking it's a bearing on the pinion shaft. We've "borrowed" the Xantia back for the moment & turbo is due in tomorrow for the DT 206 so hopefully have that working again by the weekend & get the 180 on the drive for surgery.
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| '02 1.4HDi Mercury Grey 102k (waiting for it's time to shine once more)
'03 GTi 180 Aegean Blue 92k (suffering gearbox/diff issues)
'53 Obsidian Black XUD9TE/veg fuelled b-road toy (in surgery for MoT workarounds)
'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
+'95 Citroen Xantia 1.9D auto (on loan to inlaws)
+'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet
+'97 306 1.9LXDT
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:00 pm |
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OK so we have one 206 waiting on a turbo, another waiting for a gearbox so what's the obvious thing to do in this situation?
OF COURSE.... I'll buy a 306 2.0SE cabrio with suspected head gasket issues! 
Yeah, car nut logic I suppose, but at £150 for a tidyish car (under all the moss/lichen and mould) with black leather and 92k on the clock I couldn't refuse it. May have worked out in our favour too as on initial inspection I found the radiator was new & the fan switch was missing. After bridging the plug for that, I've not been able to get it to boil up despite fast-idling it at 4k for 5 minutes solid. Got an ABS light to fix, snapped light stalk to replace and 2 tyres are borderline then going to see what else the MoT man hates about it.
Insurance is silly cheap too, under half what we pay on the 180 and even cheaper than our limited mileage classic policy on the Xantia. Moral of the story? Erm... If your cars all start breaking buy another, already broken, car and it might turn out less broken than the others???
(Disclaimer-: don't be like us, we are French car nuts & we have a big problem with collecting all sorts of lovely new toys when we least expect to!)
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| '02 1.4HDi Mercury Grey 102k (waiting for it's time to shine once more)
'03 GTi 180 Aegean Blue 92k (suffering gearbox/diff issues)
'53 Obsidian Black XUD9TE/veg fuelled b-road toy (in surgery for MoT workarounds)
'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
+'95 Citroen Xantia 1.9D auto (on loan to inlaws)
+'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet
+'97 306 1.9LXDT
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:22 am |
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So... after the previous day's sensible, not silly at all decision to purchase the 306 cab what did we get up to yesterday?
Well first off we changed tyres and fixed a couple of other bits and threw it at an MoT which it failed on a few little bits, broken spring/brake pipe etc but overall very pleased with the result. And then, out of the blue.... you probably could guess if you knew us well... We bought another bloody 306! This one's a '97 1.9 LXDT with MoT til Feb but seized rear beam @ £200. Worth that for the engine alone & it was only 5 miles down the road.
What was I saying about new toys/least expecting...
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| '02 1.4HDi Mercury Grey 102k (waiting for it's time to shine once more)
'03 GTi 180 Aegean Blue 92k (suffering gearbox/diff issues)
'53 Obsidian Black XUD9TE/veg fuelled b-road toy (in surgery for MoT workarounds)
'56 SW 1.4i Verve Aegean Blue 70k (new £50 project with roasted lump)
+'95 Citroen Xantia 1.9D auto (on loan to inlaws)
+'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet
+'97 306 1.9LXDT
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