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 Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:23 pm |
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im thinking about getting cams for my 206 gti 138
basicly i want to know what ones i should go for?
i dont want to high lift as its a daily use car and i dont want to have to go through remap, but i want them to have the lumpy sound to them
also what make should i go for for cost effective but not cheap crap
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:30 pm |
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I was looking at new camsbut everyone on here said to get a re-map too, and i don;t think they come very cheap 
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:37 pm |
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i know a lad who had cams in a saxo vts with out a remap and run fine and really sounded amazing 
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:38 pm |
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| charlie-52 wrote: |
i dont want to high lift as its a daily use car |
It's duration you need to be worried about.
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but i want them to have the lumpy sound to them |
Then just fit some Piper Ultimate Road cams to your engine, will need some pockets machining into the pistons. With your standard inlet you'll get all the lumpyness you desire 
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:39 pm |
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i don't understand at all.
lumpy idle is cause by the long duration of the camshaft and normally long duration camshaft are quite high lifting and need a remap to work well.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:55 pm |
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They also won't give best results on the standard inlet. If you're going to do it, do it properly.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:12 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| They also won't give best results on the standard inlet. If you're going to do it, do it properly. |
couldnt have said it better, dont do NA tuning unless you do it the best way otherwise your wasting your time and money
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:12 pm |
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| charlie-52 wrote: |
im thinking about getting cams for my 206 gti 138
basicly i want to know what ones i should go for?
i dont want to high lift as its a daily use car and i dont want to have to go through remap, but i want them to have the lumpy sound to them
also what make should i go for for cost effective but not cheap crap |
remaps will make the most of your mods its a dumb idea to avoid it
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:34 am |
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Also if you want lump cams it means they'll let the engine breath better at higher revs...meaning the rev limit needs to be increased.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:08 am |
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okay so basically if you have cams fitted it is without a doubt you will need a remap? or will it still run fine without?
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:56 am |
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im considering some fast road cams with a stainless manifold and a remap to go with my panel filter and cat back.
from what ive heard thats the best thing to do without going down the route of throttle bodies turbo or full rebuilds
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:08 am |
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| charlie-52 wrote: |
| okay so basically if you have cams fitted it is without a doubt you will need a remap? or will it still run fine without? |
It will run ok, just not to its full potential
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:15 am |
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Give Macj a PM he may be able to help you out here.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:57 am |
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| Spanerman wrote: |
| charlie-52 wrote: |
| okay so basically if you have cams fitted it is without a doubt you will need a remap? or will it still run fine without? |
It will run ok, just not to its full potential
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it depends on what profile is the cam.
i know cat. has got some newcamshaft for pug engine which require no remap.
but they are just very mid sport cam only
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:55 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
| Spanerman wrote: |
| charlie-52 wrote: |
| okay so basically if you have cams fitted it is without a doubt you will need a remap? or will it still run fine without? |
It will run ok, just not to its full potential
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it depends on what profile is the cam.
i know cat. has got some newcamshaft for pug engine which require no remap.
but they are just very mid sport cam only |
to be honest if they dont require a remap there gunna be s**t, , no point modding and tuning if you dont do it right, there's a big difference from my old mapped gti to my standard gt and it had no other performance mods the standard map on a gti 138 is s**te bumpy torque line
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