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 Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:31 am |
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Around my parts you see alot of farmers with range rovers with dints and scratches even sport and vouge models, they dont care 7 out of 10 sports that I see are ruff becouse there a works vehicle,
Imo she probely felt sorry for you, I would take it on the chin and forget it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:09 pm |
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My word. people really need to engage their brain before posting on here sometimes. Some of these posts are at best laughable, at worst complete bulls**t.
Why the hell would she deliberately cause an accident to get compensation without asking for his details? And reckless driving?? Seriously, get a grip.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:22 pm |
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Location: Westhoughton, Lancashire
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I suppose 5 years of traffic and 2 of those in accident investigation make me unknowledgable with motoring incidents. Believe it or not, you will get more compensation from a hit and run driver. I am just giving a scenario that may occur (and has in the past) Obviously all those of you with rose tinted glasses on live in the perfect crime free world, while the rest of us live in reality. It's up to the OP what he does regarding the incident, I am just giving my own opinion from my knowledge and experiences. We all have our own opinions it's just some people don't like to listen to other peoples opinions and advice.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:43 pm |
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Location: Somerset
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| Ali_H wrote: |
My word. people really need to engage their brain before posting on here sometimes. Some of these posts are at best laughable, at worst complete bulls**t.
Why the hell would she deliberately cause an accident to get compensation without asking for his details? And reckless driving?? Seriously, get a grip. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:13 pm |
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Joined: Feb 25, 2011
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time to learn to keep your distance in adverse weather conditions any other forum i've used in the past 5 years would've ripped you to shreds for this thread, lucky everyone on here's so kind with there words!
If she braked/turned so sharply how come she didn't skid downhill if it was as slippy as you say?? not pointing the blame there but i think people really take the quality of there own driving for granted these days!
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:27 am |
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Location: Westhoughton, Lancashire
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| shellis wrote: |
If she braked/turned so sharply how come she didn't skid downhill if it was as slippy as you say?? |
Depending on the year and model of Range Rover. It was obviously 4WD (although we don't know if this was engaged), but we can only guess on all the other technology it had on board. ASR, ABS, EBD, EBA. The tyres would automatically provide a bigger footprint on the road surface. From the pictures, it doesn't look snowy, just damp although with the weather in Scotland over the last 72 hours freezing conditions may have been an issue. Everyone is jumping to conclusions that the OP was either travelling too fast or too close. We don't have that information. Unless the OP used cadence braking, which increases the stopping distance) they could have locked all four wheels up and gone into a skid which actually would have increased the speed of the vehicle. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that the OP is the guilty party, look at the broader picture, look at other circimstances involved. I wrote my car off in the snow. Driving to the conditions, hit a patch of compacted snow which began a skid which caused the car to hit the kerb and twist the chassis. 100% my fault you would say. The insurance company is now pursueing the local council for recovery of some of the money as they left a major road untreated.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:44 am |
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| macca1411 wrote: |
| shellis wrote: |
If she braked/turned so sharply how come she didn't skid downhill if it was as slippy as you say?? |
Depending on the year and model of Range Rover. It was obviously 4WD (although we don't know if this was engaged), but we can only guess on all the other technology it had on board. ASR, ABS, EBD, EBA. The tyres would automatically provide a bigger footprint on the road surface. From the pictures, it doesn't look snowy, just damp although with the weather in Scotland over the last 72 hours freezing conditions may have been an issue. Everyone is jumping to conclusions that the OP was either travelling too fast or too close. We don't have that information. Unless the OP used cadence braking, which increases the stopping distance) they could have locked all four wheels up and gone into a skid which actually would have increased the speed of the vehicle. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that the OP is the guilty party, look at the broader picture, look at other circimstances involved. I wrote my car off in the snow. Driving to the conditions, hit a patch of compacted snow which began a skid which caused the car to hit the kerb and twist the chassis. 100% my fault you would say. The insurance company is now pursueing the local council for recovery of some of the money as they left a major road untreated. |
So it seemsyou are now suggesting that, as a rule, if the vehicle travelling in front of me is technically more advanced than my lowly basic 206, (ie.. 4wd and fitted with ABS, EBS, ESP, etc) then i have a legitimate excuse to slam into the rear of it because it can stop more effectively than mine and i can rightfully declare "not my fault guv, you've got better brakes than me".!!
Again....laughable!!
| macca1411 wrote: |
| wrote my car off in the snow. Driving to the conditions, hit a patch of compacted snow which began a skid which caused the car to hit the kerb and twist the chassis. 100% my fault you would say. The insurance company is now pursueing the local council for recovery of some of the money as they left a major road untreated. |
If you lost control then i would argue that you were NOT driving to the conditions at that time!............
I suspect you are one of those people who never accept responsibility for their own actions and always look to blame someone else for their own mistakes.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:54 am |
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This is getting stupid! It's down to the following driver to ensure they have sufficient braking distance between them & the vehicle in front. As for cascade braking 'increasing' stopping distance that is just wrong. It decreases it as it acts like a manual ABS. The only senario it won't decrease the stopping distance (along with ABS) is in deep snow where it acts as a wedge against the Tyres.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:57 am |
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I doubt the OP or 3/4 of the forum even knows what cadence braking actaully is 
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:03 am |
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For the benefit of some.........basically, Cadence braking is a hard application of the brake until the wheels lock and then instantly releasing the brakes and re-applying them, again to the point of wheel lock....keep repeating rapidly this procedure until the vehicle comes to a halt. This method of braking is used on non-abs cars and allows steering ability whilst performing an emergency braking manouvre.
Not quite an exact description but a basic outline of cadence braking.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:10 am |
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The OP's ABS sounds like it worked perfectly
All
Brakes
Skid
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:11 am |
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Location: Westhoughton, Lancashire
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| panason1c wrote: |
So it seemsyou are now suggesting that, as a rule, if the vehicle travelling in front of me is technically more advanced than my lowly basic 206, (ie.. 4wd and fitted with ABS, EBS, ESP, etc) then i have a legitimate excuse to slam into the rear of it because it can stop more effectively than mine and i can rightfully declare "not my fault guv, you've got better brakes than me".!!
Again....laughable!!
| macca1411 wrote: |
| wrote my car off in the snow. Driving to the conditions, hit a patch of compacted snow which began a skid which caused the car to hit the kerb and twist the chassis. 100% my fault you would say. The insurance company is now pursueing the local council for recovery of some of the money as they left a major road untreated. |
If you lost control then i would argue that you were NOT driving to the conditions at that time!............
I suspect you are one of those people who never accept responsibility for their own actions and always look to blame someone else for their own mistakes. |
If you want to have a collision with another vehicle then do so at your own risk. I was trying to explain that there may be more circumstances to this collision than we already know about. You need to look at all the facts, not just be blinkered to what is easy to pick up on.
I pay an insurance premium, they same as you and if an insurance company want to pursue another party following an incident then it is down to them. I like many other people put the facts onto the claim form, it is down to the insurance what they do after that.
As for your last comment, even though it is off topic and verging on a personal attack, you don't know me so you can't really jump to a conclusion. Although if you would like to PM me with what you think then I'd be happy to take it up with you in private. A public forum is not a place to make an attack on someones character.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:17 am |
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| macca1411 wrote: |
| panason1c wrote: |
So it seemsyou are now suggesting that, as a rule, if the vehicle travelling in front of me is technically more advanced than my lowly basic 206, (ie.. 4wd and fitted with ABS, EBS, ESP, etc) then i have a legitimate excuse to slam into the rear of it because it can stop more effectively than mine and i can rightfully declare "not my fault guv, you've got better brakes than me".!!
Again....laughable!!
| macca1411 wrote: |
| wrote my car off in the snow. Driving to the conditions, hit a patch of compacted snow which began a skid which caused the car to hit the kerb and twist the chassis. 100% my fault you would say. The insurance company is now pursueing the local council for recovery of some of the money as they left a major road untreated. |
If you lost control then i would argue that you were NOT driving to the conditions at that time!............
I suspect you are one of those people who never accept responsibility for their own actions and always look to blame someone else for their own mistakes. |
If you want to have a collision with another vehicle then do so at your own risk. I was trying to explain that there may be more circumstances to this collision than we already know about. You need to look at all the facts, not just be blinkered to what is easy to pick up on.
I pay an insurance premium, they same as you and if an insurance company want to pursue another party following an incident then it is down to them. I like many other people put the facts onto the claim form, it is down to the insurance what they do after that.
As for your last comment, even though it is off topic and verging on a personal attack, you don't know me so you can't really jump to a conclusion. Although if you would like to PM me with what you think then I'd be happy to take it up with you in private. A public forum is not a place to make an attack on someones character. |
I find it bewildering and frustrating that you seem oblivious to the simplicity of the OP's incident!.............it is sooo obvious that the lady slowed to make a turn and the op was either too close to stop or was not paying attention!!........
What part of 'too close' and 'not paying attention' do you not understand?
ps...........I havent noticed too many posts supporting your arguement, does that not tell you anything?
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:27 am |
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| panason1c wrote: |
I find it bewildering and frustrating that you seem oblivious to the simplicity of the OP's incident!.............it is sooo obvious that the lady slowed to make a turn and the op was either too close to stop or was not paying attention!!........what part of 'too close' and 'not paying attention' do you not understand? |
How close was the OP to the vehicle? How fast were both vehicles travelling?
Why did the Range Rover make such a late turn? Was there any indication from the Range Rover prior to making the turn? Were the brake lights fully functional on the Range Rover? How slippy was the road? (You may need to work out the coefficient of friction for that one). There are more questions that will arise from the answers to these. When you have answered these questions, then you may be able to put 100% blame onto the OP. Until then keep an open mind and give everyone the benefit of doubt.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:28 am |
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I GIVE UP !!! (sigh)
Overdosed on 'CSI' methinks....
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