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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:14 pm |
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| panason1c wrote: |
| AsphericSmile wrote: |
If the car in front grips and you can't, a safe stopping distance won't magically make you stop.
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I nominate the above for the 'Moronic statement of the month award' |
See, Pr*ck.
How is it? All off your posts in this thread have been moronic insults.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:16 pm |
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| abs06 wrote: |
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| If you can't 'judge this in time', & hit a vehicle, your probably end up in the wrong. |
But we cant drive around A roads doing this. Hence newer cars having auto flashing hazard lights under hard braking |
good point, never think about this.
i think even the newer version of 206 has this function
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:21 pm |
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Location: Somerset
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| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| panason1c wrote: |
| AsphericSmile wrote: |
If the car in front grips and you can't, a safe stopping distance won't magically make you stop.
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I nominate the above for the 'Moronic statement of the month award' |
See, Pr*ck.
How is it? All off your posts in this thread have been moronic insults. |
Probably in response to moronic posts such as yours where you previously refered to some posters as "pricks"!!!!
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| 1.4 hdi, 206, Year..2003, 100,000 miles
Mercedes, ML270CDI, 2002, 200,000 miles
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:22 pm |
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| Harry wrote: |
:? He didn't stop ok he smashed into the car in front, unless you call that ok?  . In the same way the car in front smashed into the car in front of that.
I was travelling along, all of a sudden it stopped (and when I say stopped i mean literally stopped from 40 - 0 in a few metres ) it was nasty.
If you still think I was too close, and I should have left enough room for the van to instantly stop when he hit a parked car in front then I can't argue my case any more |
Sorry, read piled in as pulled up!!
But I still say you were to close, especially as you couldn't see in front of the van.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:24 pm |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Harry wrote: |
:? He didn't stop ok he smashed into the car in front, unless you call that ok? . In the same way the car in front smashed into the car in front of that.
I was travelling along, all of a sudden it stopped (and when I say stopped i mean literally stopped from 40 - 0 in a few metres ) it was nasty.
If you still think I was too close, and I should have left enough room for the van to instantly stop when he hit a parked car in front then I can't argue my case any more |
Sorry, read piled in as pulled up!!
But I still say you were to close, especially as you couldn't see in front of the van. |
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| 1.4 hdi, 206, Year..2003, 100,000 miles
Mercedes, ML270CDI, 2002, 200,000 miles
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:31 pm |
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| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| If the car in front grips and you can't, a safe stopping distance won't magically make you stop. |
It's got nothing to do with magic, but everything to do with good driving by setting your braking distance acording to all the road conditions.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:53 pm |
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| abs06 wrote: |
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| If you can't 'judge this in time', & hit a vehicle, your probably end up in the wrong. |
By leaving a safe gap, we give our selves thinking time, hence if the car/van in front brakes, you brake. However if they then suddenly Brake harder, and your still gently braking, by the time
You have realised this, the gap you originally left would have now reduced. Giving you less time to follow suit and slam on your own brakes. Which then sends a shock wave effect down the line of traffic.
On motorways when their is standstill traffic, people joining the back will put their hazards lights on. To warn of he upcaming que. Alerting traffic behind that their is a need to slow down from motorway speeds.
But we cant drive around A roads doing this. Hence newer cars having auto flashing hazard lights under hard braking |
You shouldn't be relying on the brake lights of the vehicle immediately in front of you as your first chance to react. You should be looking & reading the road as far ahead as possible for maximum warning of impending doom. If you can't do that as the vehicle in front is blocking your view, drop even further back. Not sure what you 'can't drive around A roads doing', but as they & B roads are more dangerous than motorways I suggest you do. Like I said before, we all drive to close sometimes, but that don't make it right, & it deffinetly don't mean we won't get the blame for rear ending someone.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:57 pm |
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| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| Why rip everyone's opinions up? It's only their view, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean you have to be a pr*ck about it. |
Why start insulting people & swearing in what has been a fairly good natured debate? Let's hope the mods only delete your post instead of bining the thread.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:03 pm |
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If you read my post it says it all in it.
Hazard lights
Newer cars having auto flashing hazards under hard braking.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:47 pm |
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People are forgetting, reaction times and braking ability. I'm not talking about the OP. Just in reference to some comments earlier. but for example a 206 gti180 would almost certainly stop in less time than a 1.1
Also some people aren't as quick to react as others. This reaction time could be the difference between a right off, to a tiny bump to just a close call. There are many variables that people could debate/argue allday long about.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:00 am |
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| Bailey wrote: |
People are forgetting, reaction times and braking ability. I'm not talking about the OP. Just in reference to some comments earlier. but for example a 206 gti180 would almost certainly stop in less time than a 1.1
Also some people aren't as quick to react as others. This reaction time could be the difference between a right off, to a tiny bump to just a close call. There are many variables that people could debate/argue allday long about. |
I haven't forgoten reaction times etc, & there should be no debate. We should leave enough room between ourselves & the vehicle in front so we can stop in the distance available. But leaving the correct amount for all eventualities is virtually impossible as other vehicles pull into that space.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:44 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| Why rip everyone's opinions up? It's only their view, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean you have to be a pr*ck about it. |
Why start insulting people & swearing in what has been a fairly good natured debate? Let's hope the mods only delete your post instead of bining the thread. |
It's not been a good natured debate in my opinion. It seems that some people are on here just to slate others. And it happens on many other threads.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:53 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| If the car in front grips and you can't, a safe stopping distance won't magically make you stop. |
It's got nothing to do with magic, but everything to do with good driving by setting your braking distance acording to all the road conditions. |
So your saying that if you keep a good distance you will stop before you smash in to the car in front no matter what? A Range Rover's stopping and gripping abilities are much greater than a 206. By your logic, even if the Range Rover has gripped and the 206 hasn't there won't be an accident.
I'm not saying that the OP wasn't driving too close, he might of been. But unless we were there, we won't know. There could of been many resulting factors in this and just saying 'he was driving too close, end of.' is a bit closed minded.
I've had an accident in the rain where I spun out on a corner and crashed into a wall. The car in front, who was travelling faster managed to get round ok. Now i've done that corner in rain before at the same speed and faster and got round. But the day I crashed I had hit oil that was on the road and I lost control.
But I'm sure that most people on here will still assume I was driving too fast for the conditions, which in actual fact, I wasn't, I was just unlucky enough to hit an oil patch.
Edit: This corner can easily be taken at 35mph in the dry, I was doing 25mph because I was driving to the conditions.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:15 am |
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| AsphericSmile wrote: |
| So your saying that if you keep a good distance you will stop before you smash in to the car in front no matter what? |
No, not a 'Good' distance, its got to be the correct distance. & that's where the problem lays as there are so many variables. The fact a Range Rover can out stop a 206 (if it can) is immaterial, because that is just one of the variables a good driver will have taken into account in gauging how close to follow it to allow enough distance to stop, even if they hit a brick wall. Like I said earlier, you should be looking past the vehicle in front as far as possible to anticipate any problems, not relying on their brake lights as a first warning off danger.
As for you hitting oil, did you get the police to come & sort it out?
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:16 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Harry wrote: |
:? He didn't stop ok he smashed into the car in front, unless you call that ok? . In the same way the car in front smashed into the car in front of that.
I was travelling along, all of a sudden it stopped (and when I say stopped i mean literally stopped from 40 - 0 in a few metres ) it was nasty.
If you still think I was too close, and I should have left enough room for the van to instantly stop when he hit a parked car in front then I can't argue my case any more |
Sorry, read piled in as pulled up!!
But I still say you were to close, especially as you couldn't see in front of the van. |
The distance was normal, honestly the same distance the average person drives in average traffic.
The problem was I didn't know to stop until the van had stopped which at a good 30 mph + thinking distance the chances of being able to stop is highly unlikely.
I do agree that leaving a larger gap would have solved it in reality that doesn't happen no one leaves a 100m gap just incase the unexpected happens.
Feels like I'm repeating myself, but if a car were to pull out right in front of another car (the person would have to be literally blind) and a crash happened. The person behind that car is extremely likely to hit them as well and when they I wouldnt say it was their fault for driving too close. Sometimes we are just unlucky.
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