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 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:56 am |
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Joined: Jan 06, 2011
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Location: Wiltshire
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| Seabook wrote: |
| JE_180 wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14 |
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed. |
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14.... |
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:58 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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| JE_180 wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| JE_180 wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14 |
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed. |
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14.... |
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400 |
my bad then 
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:00 am |
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Joined: Jan 06, 2011
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Location: Wiltshire
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| Seabook wrote: |
| JE_180 wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| JE_180 wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14 |
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed. |
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14.... |
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400 |
my bad then |
Cheapest I've seen B14 was just over £600 I think, are they that good?
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:09 am |
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Location: Under your bed
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| Seabook wrote: |
this is true.
however a weak spring with a hard damper will give you a very stiff ride too. |
It will yes, but if you get adjustable coilovers where the springs can be easily changed you can alter the valving on them to adjust how hard you want the damping to be.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:28 am |
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Location: Northants
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where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage?
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:30 am |
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| where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage? |
You'd have to ask the seller, as the 206 isn't a technical car they most often won't ever show a poundage as normally people who buy them don't really care what it is as long as it lowers the car 
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:37 am |
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| Seb wrote: |
| PugJH wrote: |
| where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage? |
You'd have to ask the seller, as the 206 isn't a technical car they most often won't ever show a poundage as normally people who buy them don't really care what it is as long as it lowers the car |
That is true, i did think that as your car is more performance while mine is boyracer.
I dont even know what its lowered by, but the curb at work where i park is going to destroy my splitter soon.
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| WIP: Black 1.6 16v XSi
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:38 am |
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Joined: Oct 05, 2010
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Location: West Sussex
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| Seb wrote: |
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| You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want.... |
What do you mean by softer springs ? |
It's the spring that denotes how stiff the ride itself is for the most part, the dampers really only come into play when they're being properly compressed.
Springs are measured by poundage, for example I have 425 fitted on the front of my car and 475 on the rear, fitting a lower poundage spring will give you a softer ride. It's how much is required to compress the spring by 1 inch.
So a 100lb spring will require 100lbs to compress it by an inch, a 400lb spring, will require, surprise surprise, 400lbs to compress it one inch! Hence why lower poundage springs are softer as they compress much easier. |
Thanks man thats good stuff to know !
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:19 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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| Seb wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
this is true.
however a weak spring with a hard damper will give you a very stiff ride too. |
It will yes, but if you get adjustable coilovers where the springs can be easily changed you can alter the valving on them to adjust how hard you want the damping to be. |
just talking about one of the cheap trick peoples do on track.
stock spring + adjustable dampers and turn it to fully hard.
drive like the car is on 2 steel rod with no damping effect
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:39 am |
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Joined: Mar 28, 2010
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Location: Blackburn and Catterick
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| PugJH wrote: |
| where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage? |
the avo ones i bought have different springs available for them i just never thought about changing mine as there good as they are 
and the dampings adjustable too of course 
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:41 am |
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Joined: Mar 28, 2010
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just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs 
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:44 am |
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| drunknmunky wrote: |
| just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs |
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:46 am |
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Joined: Mar 28, 2010
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Location: Blackburn and Catterick
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| Seabook wrote: |
| drunknmunky wrote: |
| just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs |
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring. |
yeah they do have size ranges of length and id too but my id is 2.25" and im unsure of length but they had lots of choice anyway
and they werent too expensive im sure prices where like £30 per spring or something so probably about the same then
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:48 am |
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| drunknmunky wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| drunknmunky wrote: |
| just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs |
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring. |
yeah they do have size ranges of length and id too but my id is 2.25" and im unsure of length but they had lots of choice anyway
and they werent too expensive im sure prices where like £30 per spring or something so probably about the same then |
that's the beauty of coilovers. can run whatever spring you like
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:08 pm |
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i had never really looked into all this sort of stuff i just wanted a decent set of coilovers so spent a little too much on them
i dont think ill ever really need to look into changing springs on mine
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