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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:17 pm |
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Hello all,
I have a problem with a 206 1.4 Quicksliver. It recently went in for a new clutch. On return it has difficulty engaging gears. It doesn't crunch, but it isn't easy to get the lever in to the correct position and engage the gear. It seems to be fine when stationary or at a low speed. for example, changing down from 3rd to 2nd. It doesn't want to go in. If you hold the gear lever where 2nd should be and slow the car right down, it will go in to gear when the speed is low enough.
The garage who changed the clutch say it is the linkages. These were working fine before we took it in though. I understand they had problems disconnecting the linkages.
I was previously thinking that this is the garages fault and that they should put it right, but they are not going to do so after speaking with them. I suppose things like this don't always go smoothly and I did not want to be doing the clutch change myself. They did offer to replace the linkages for the cost of the parts (no labour). Sound fair?
Anyway... I'm not convinced it is actually the linkages due to it only being an issue when moving. If it was the linkages, surely it would be difficult to engage gears even when stationary? If this is the case, the garage has buggered something else up.
The biting point doesn't seem too low so I think the clutch is fully disengaged when your foot is to the floor.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Paul
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:27 pm |
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i think could be gear oil.
ask them what oil do they put in
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:25 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
i think could be gear oil.
ask them what oil do they put in |
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:08 pm |
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Interesting... What oil should be in there?
I did notice it seemed to be too full so was wondering if that could cause it. I was replacing the wishbones today and removed the driveshaft, forgetting it is fed from the gearbox, so drained it out in to a container. Refilling via the plug it wouldn't take all of the oil that I had removed.
The only reference I have found so far is from Halfords, specifying 75w/90 GL-5 but I have no idea what the garage would have (over)filled it with.
Can the wrong oil cause these problems? Too viscous?
Cheers,
Paul
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:42 am |
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75/80 I think it is, I'll check the manual. If they filled it from the correct filling hole, it's impossible to overfilled, it would leak out as they put it in. Your be surprised the difference the wrong oil makes. It takes about 1.9 litres on my gti.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:55 am |
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Cheers Steve206, that'd be good.
I found a guide on refilling the gearbox online (http://206gti.net/gear-oil/). Fairly obvious filler hole under the passenger side wheel arch, behind the plastic liner.
I couldn't get all of the oil back in there so i'm not sure where they would have filled it from.
It definitely had a synthetic gearbox oil smell to it as I was wearing some in my hair!
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Last edited by poltn6 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:56 am |
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"Total BV 75W80" semi-synthetic only.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| "Total BV 75W80" semi-synthetic only. |
Cheers for that. I'll try and find out what the garage used.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:32 am |
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Synthetic gear oil + MA gearbox = problems 
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:56 am |
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Well, they say they put in 75/80 as per the manufacturers spec, but they had to go and check for me.
Do any of you think this sounds like a gear linkage problem?
It only happens when revs are up. Low speed / revs it seems fine to engage gears. I suppose the gearbox would move a bit when in use but I would have expected a dodgy linkage to feel the same when stationary / slow moving.
Cheers,
Paul
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:49 am |
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It doesn't crunch, but it isn't easy to get the lever in to the correct position and engage the gear. It seems to be fine when stationary or at a low speed. for example, changing down from 3rd to 2nd. It doesn't want to go in. If you hold the gear lever where 2nd should be and slow the car right down, it will go in to gear when the speed is low enough.
That really sounds like the clutch is dragging ie not fully disengaged.
Is this a cable or hydraulic operated clutch?
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:55 am |
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Hmmm, it does. I don't know actually. I assumed it was cable. It's my sisters car so I can't check right now. Do certain years / models use cable / hydraulic?
Either way, can it be adjusted?
I'm sure the garage are just talking crap. I would like them to put it right but all they want to do is replace the linkages.
Thanks,
Paul
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:57 am |
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It will be a self adjusting clutch cable on a 1.4 petrol Quicksilver.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:34 am |
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There is an automatic adjuster built into the cable and they don't always work so you could try the forced clutch adjustment trick.
Press the clutch pedal to the floor.
Slip your foot sideways off the clutch pedal and let if "fly" back.
Be careful it doesn't hit you in the leg as it will shoot up with some force. Not enough to really hurt but uncomfortable!
This sometimes makes a sticking self adjusting mechanism work.
It may take two or three attempts or it may not make any difference.
If this doesn't work take it back and show them what is happening - it is not right and they should fix it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:40 am |
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Just a thought - if the old clutch was worn then the automatic cable adjuster will have slowly taken up that wear by automatically adusting itself. (I know what I mean but does this make sense?)
How do you reset the adjuster to take into account the fact that you now have a new, unworn clutch? Do you have to fit a new cable or can the adjuster on the existing cable be manually reset?
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