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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:22 pm |
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i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
so could you tell me how hard yours kick in, hard to do i know but first one is like a mini turbo but second is much softer.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:26 pm |
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VVT does not kick in. It's constantly moving, it doesnt suddenly change. You'll just be hitting the torque peak which is where it will start to pull stronger.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:38 pm |
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Yeh as Edward said VVT is progressive not instantatious power
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:40 pm |
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ah ok as said on 1 car its real strong on other just feels weaker in fact on the first car it feels like a honda vtec system when it come on song. also just to add that when the 1st one was RR'd it came out at 177 bhp which is another reason as to why i think it may have been mapped in the past.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:44 pm |
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| NICKST wrote: |
| Edward wrote: |
| VVT does not kick in. It's constantly moving, it doesnt suddenly change. You'll just be hitting the torque peak which is where it will start to pull stronger. |
I have driven a few and owned one they are differences only slight tho are they both same spec mods service parts ect ect. |
yes pretty much the same both got janspeeds fitted both got piperx panal fillters the quick one is 04 other is 05 both within 10k of each other
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm |
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VVT and VTEC on a honda are different systems
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm |
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Mine was a bad One only 167bhp before remap and 172 after they don't seem to be consistent.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:51 pm |
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| Lee wrote: |
| VVT and VTEC on a honda are different systems |
yes i am understanding that part thanks lee it was the only way i can describe what it feels like when it comes on song lol
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:52 pm |
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| NICKST wrote: |
| Mine was a bad One only 167bhp before remap and 172 after they don't seem to be consistent. |
yeah i know from reading on here that they can seem to vary alot between cars but these are so very diffrent lol lol
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:57 pm |
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One off them might have a map on it then or one isn't running right.
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focus st 3 with pro alloy intercooler, 3" mongoose down pipe, 200 cell sports cat and mongoose cat back, collins bov, dreamscience dsci cold air intake,focus rs injectors,focus rs oil cooler,dreamscience dsci tuneing platform mod X map,focus rs clutch & flywheel, rs fuel pump, polly bushes in wish bones rear axal and suspension white line front and rear arb, eibach pro street s suspension. | |
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:59 pm |
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You could Proberly pay some one to check. I would strip them down sensors plugs ect ect and see if any are really dirty worn or differnt.
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focus st 3 with pro alloy intercooler, 3" mongoose down pipe, 200 cell sports cat and mongoose cat back, collins bov, dreamscience dsci cold air intake,focus rs injectors,focus rs oil cooler,dreamscience dsci tuneing platform mod X map,focus rs clutch & flywheel, rs fuel pump, polly bushes in wish bones rear axal and suspension white line front and rear arb, eibach pro street s suspension. | |
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:09 pm |
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both had new plugs (yes bosch ones lol) both just had full service inc cambelts waterpumps ect both had new clutchs both just had new rubber fitted lol lol gets bloody expencive owning them. it does'not overly worry me as i got the fast one daughter has the other one it was more of do you all recon it has been mapped because of the big diffrences
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:19 pm |
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Well if there identical then I would put it down to one haveing a map lol
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:22 pm |
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I remember someone saying that their 03-plate and my 54-plate engines were different because one had a floating crank.
If that's true, would it make a difference?
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:26 pm |
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think i'm just gonna have to put the second one on a rr and see just how much diffrence there is. or try to find out a way to see if the ecu's can be read to see if one's been mapped.
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