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 Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:37 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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Let's stop the Ecosse bashing for now...
There's no evidence to me to suggest the mapping is actually wrong. It just doesn't pull that strongly which could be down to the nature of the cams.
Part of the problem could be my combination of TB's, cams and the exhaust. Nobody has an exhaust like mine and the combined noise makes it feel like there's lots of noise but no action at lower revs.
It does drive smoothly apart from a hiccup at the same 2nd gear corner I go through when the car is still warming up where it has a hiccup every morning.
The car won't be going back to Ecosse as I couldn't stand driving 400 miles in one shot. With my own family I don't have time either. As mentioned chances are the map will be password protected to stop other people getting hold of the map and using it themselves. So that will mean only Ecosse can change it. So I don't have the option of changing to shorter duration cams either.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:28 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 2719
Trade Rating: +6
Location: UK
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I've read all the comments, and to be fair, Eccose have done a great job fitting etc, so the map cant be that bad, but maybe needs tweaking.
What i cant understand, is that apart from a few people who kow what there talking about, everone has become an expert!
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:46 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 2505
Trade Rating: +19
Location: West mids
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| Steve206 wrote: |
I've read all the comments, and to be fair, Eccose have done a great job fitting etc, so the map cant be that bad, but maybe needs tweaking.
What i cant understand, is that apart from a few people who kow what there talking about, everone has become an expert! |
Haha well said steve
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:34 am |
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Joined: Feb 13, 2010
Posts: 451
Trade Rating: +2
Location: Stafford
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| Steve206 wrote: |
What i cant understand, is that apart from a few people who kow what there talking about, everone has become an expert! |
lmao 
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| 206 Gti 180 Cat-camshafts 804's, Cat cams CTPE 002 exhaust vernier pully, RS tuning remap, Cat back janspeed exhaust, K@N Typhoon induction kit- heat wrapped, Exhaust manifold heat wrapped, Goodridge brake flexi's poly bushs in rear lateral arms, blue led speedo convertion, 50mm Eibach sport line springs, ......
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:37 am |
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Joined: Jan 25, 2010
Posts: 16
Trade Rating: 0
Location: Kent
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Can you request that Ecosse send you the copy of the AFR graph via email ?
You will have an idea of fuelling then.
The job they done looks fantastic but if it was me i would be requesting they pick it up and check it out after the money you spent.
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:17 am |
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Joined: Jan 23, 2010
Posts: 655
Trade Rating: +1
Location: North West
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In fairness, a lot of members on here actually do respect you, your car and what you do to it a lot Edward, so just want your car to run how it should be after the amount of time and money you have put into it!
Got to be worth a quick phone call to see what they can offer you?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:27 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 2194
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Location: Bristol & Leicester
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Yeah, my apologies if my two pence worth is a bit out of order. I don't know you at all, I will probably never meet you, just wanted you to be happy (sound like a disgruntled ex!).
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:57 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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Let me just clarify a few things.
I have never said Ecosse have done anything wrong to the car, it's just not as I expected it to be. It could be just the same if somebody else built the engine.
Others have suggested the mapping may be the problem, that is their opinion. I've not in any way suggested they may be correct.
It starts fine and accelerates smoothly. It's just very linear between 2k rpm and 5k rpm. Whether it has full throttle or part throttle applied between these revs it seems to have no effect on the power output. I can see why this would happen though because it just suggests the engine is taking in as much air as it can and the butterfly is not a restriction.
It is faster than it was as high revs but it arrives at such high speeds that 200bhp at 60 mph has a lesser effect that it would if it was delivered at 40mph.
My opinion of fast may be different to other peoples and yes it does go well but it needs to be on the right road to feel quick.
This is why manufacturers pretty much limited tuning to 180bhp from 2 litres and if they wanted more they fitted a turbo.
I'm becoming happier with the car and appreciate it's not a car for motorways running at 4k rpm or pottering round town at small throttle openings.
I always wanted another everyday car as the 206 was becoming a bit too much and that will just arrive sooned than original expected.
I've taken some more pictures today with the engine cover back in place. I also gave it a bit of a clean to get rid of any oil etc. It's still a nice little toy to have sat in the garage.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:36 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 2505
Trade Rating: +19
Location: West mids
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is that it for now ed?
Whats to come?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:18 pm |
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Joined: Jan 25, 2010
Posts: 16
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Location: Kent
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Got to admit it does look the absolute nuts ! 
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:36 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 2801
Trade Rating: +1
Location: Barry, South Wales
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You going to make a call to them or trust them and get on with it?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:45 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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They already know all about it.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:45 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Barry, South Wales
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| Edward wrote: |
| They already know all about it. |
Whats going to happen now then?
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:41 pm |
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Joined: Jan 25, 2010
Posts: 3497
Trade Rating: +31
Location: VVT Land, Fife
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I think that they may have rushed it a little, but all in the name to meet a deadline unfortunately. I'm sure given the timescale the questioned map might be better? However, if it was such a terrible map would it be running 214bhp? I was expecting the torque figure to be higher but N/A engines aren't well known for their torque outputs i suppose!
Yet a few things don't stack up but it's hard to put a finger on it, there's clearly little niggles, mis-fires etc that you're experiencing too which need sorted!
All will be well on a dry road in the summer. It's cams and TB's..it's a high revving affair. Surely though Edward that with cams and TB's the noise level was bound to increase it's not a willy nilly crap exhaust either?
I'd give it time You've spent far too much time on money on this cracking car to throw it all away now.
But if you could get ecosse to improve things then and if you could make it up it would be worth it. They're not pricks when it comes to after-sales service, they'd be more than happy to help, much opposite to the opinions which seem to have been stirred up on this thread. Pretty unfair on them too considering they can't explain/defend themselves too.
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:50 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 3617
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Under your bed
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Good to see Edward. Without wanting to sound harsh, but perhaps you may have been anticipating too much from the mods. Either way it looks great, and a very nice project for someone like me to read.
I hope you retain your enthusiasm for performance cars and tuning and perhaps come back and show us all something new one day
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