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 Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:34 am |
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Hello everyone,
Sorry to have my first post as a question, but I'm trying to fix my sister's car and I'm a bit confused.
She has a 2003 206 1.1 with rear drum brakes and no ABS. She phoned me up last week to say that she saw her o/s rear wheel wobbling in her driver's mirror, so I advised her not to drive the car anymore and to get it recovered. When she did so, the mechanic told her that it was the rear wheel bearing and stub axle that had gone.
I've been reading up on this website and have seen all of the information on replacing the whole trailing arm or axle but we just do not have the money and so are going to start with the wheel bearing and stub axle as the recovery man suggested.
When I took the hub off a whole load of washers came off with it and so did a bearing just like the one in the right of this picture. All was covered in black grease and there still seemed to be a wheel bearing inside the hub. Is there some other sort of bearing on the stub axle or is this part of the wheel bearing? I've only ever changed wheel bearings once before so I've never seen a badly damaged one.
Once again sorry for joining with a question. I have a couple of issues that need clearing up so I will donate a few quid to the forum as a way of giving something back.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:00 am |
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Location: Westhoughton, Lancashire
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The bearing is a double taper bearing encased in one shell. It presses out from the inside to outside of the drum, but sometimes there is a spring clip on the outside edge which is a PITA to remove without the special tools.
I have a full bearing in the shed which I can photograph if you're unsure what the new one should look like.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:21 am |
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On some cars the inner part of the wheel bearing gets stuck on the stub axle ... I've had that and resorted to an angle grinder to get the ring off!
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:59 am |
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First thing is to buy a Haynes manual. They aren't perfect but quite good for jobs like these.
As Macca has said there is probably a spring clip holding the bearing in the drum that doesn't have the normal circlip ends so is a real b***h to remove. I resoted to a dremel to cut the rings in half. Then, even with the ring / circlip removed I couldn't get the bearing out of the drum and believe me I tried.
In the end I bought new drums and bearings. It wasn't cheap with parts close to £100 IIRC but I wasted many, many hours trying to do this job and it was a piece of cake once I had the new parts.
Please make sure you also fit new staked nuts as re-using the old ones really is quite naughty and a risk.
Also check the tightening torque for the nuts as it is quite high.
There is a post on here somewher from me when I did this job.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:00 am |
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Hi,
Thanks for your replies. I've changed the bearings on a Clio before and they too were integrated with the hub and retained by a circlip. I just went to my local garage who removed the old circlip, pressed the old bearing out, pressed the new one in and put the new circlip in on both sides for £10. That saved me a lot of messing about with hammers and circlip pliers etc.
I've read on here before that the circlip is a PITA to get out. I also read somewhere that it can be removed with a drill so I will have a go at that before I take the hubs to the garage.
I was just concerned that there was another bearing on the stub axel that I didn't know about. I know what the new bearing looks like I've just never seen a broken one before so didn't know if this other thing that I saw was part of the wheel bearing or not. If someone could confirm that apart from the wheel bearing in the hub there should be no other bearings involved when removing the stub axel, then I think I'm confident enough to get stuck in with the job.
Thanks again for your replies.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:25 am |
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Only the bearing inside the drum. Once the drum is off, should be a clean shaft
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:55 am |
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New bearings should come with new washers and seals. Lots of people put the back seal in the wrong way around so even the old one may be fitted incorrectly. Look closely at it when you take it apart and that may help but it isn't guaranteed to be right. Think about how the components interact and your logic should guide you through. Getting it wrong will result in premature failure of the bearing but nothing worse.
A 30t press wouldn’t budge my bearings!
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:58 am |
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NOTE: are you certain that the wheel wobble isn't play on the bearing between axle and swinging arm. That is the usual failure point if it is bad enough to see wheel wobble.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 am |
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When my axle failed my rear wheel was wobbling. Is there play in the trailing arm?
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:29 pm |
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Thanks for your replies. @macca1411 thanks, that's what I needed to know. I can safely assume that the wheel bearing is wrecked, as there was a ring of bearings still on the shaft once the hub as off.
Hopefully a press will remove both of the bearings - I'm pretty sure it will remove the damaged one if it's disintegrated.
With regards to the trailing arm, this is what I was worried about when I first started researching the problem online. My sister said that the recovery bloke could wobble the wheel at the roadside without even jacking the car up. I didn't check this myself but when I had the wheel and hub off I grabbed the trailing arm and tried to pull it around and it didn't budge. I'm hoping that if everything moved that easily at the roadside, then I would have been able top replicate it when the car was jacked up.
I think the only way to tell is to change both the wheel bearings, and the o/s stub axle and see if that clears anything up. I will let you know how this goes as I will be doing this on Saturday while I wait for parts to turn up.
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