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 Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:51 am |
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Is it still loosing water?
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:02 am |
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| kandlbarrett wrote: |
| Is it still loosing water? |
Every time I open the reservoir, I find an air locked in the system. So I have to open the bleeding point to let the air go. Overheating and frequent air locked in the system will make it lose a little water every time.
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:28 am |
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Check any pipes that return to expansion bottle make sure not blocked,
Also where they fit onto bottle.
As for water, how much you have to top it up with?
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:24 pm |
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| wifes206 wrote: |
Check any pipes that return to expansion bottle make sure not blocked,
Also where they fit onto bottle.
As for water, how much you have to top it up with? |
Hoses are fine. It uses small glass of water (200ml) everyday.
I have noted that the problem is getting a little better because the climate has changed a little nowadays and became cooler. The car is still overheated, but it reach 110 after longer period of time. Most of time it goes around 100-105.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:22 am |
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I tired to flush the radiater today using "10min Gunk" product, but didn't work either.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:58 am |
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I still reckon you have a pinhole in the rad and it is leaking under pressure. It's so warm any trace of the leak is evaporating before you can see it or it's in a position that is hard to spot ie between rad and a/c condenser.
I'd suggest two things now:
1) get the radiator and cooling system pressure tested ... that will show you if you have a leak
2) get a "sniff test" on the engine which may or may not tell you if you have a head gasket problem
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:32 am |
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| gazza82 wrote: |
I still reckon you have a pinhole in the rad and it is leaking under pressure. It's so warm any trace of the leak is evaporating before you can see it or it's in a position that is hard to spot ie between rad and a/c condenser.
I'd suggest two things now:
1) get the radiator and cooling system pressure tested ... that will show you if you have a leak
2) get a "sniff test" on the engine which may or may not tell you if you have a head gasket problem |
I have already performed point (2). As for the radiater, it need to be tested so. But nowadays while the climate is only reading 25C, the water leak became too small to be noticed!
Also my radiater is not so old, it is 3 yrs old.
I'm so much disappointed. I began to look at problems that shouldn't be related to the overheat issue. For example, someone suggest to look at the alternator which may be putting a strain on engine or too weak to operate the fan and some other things together! Absolutely, alternator has nothing to do with overheating. And my alternator is reading 14V!
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:35 am |
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| hamed206 wrote: |
I have already performed point (2). As for the radiater, it need to be tested so. But nowadays while the climate is only reading 25C, the water leak became too small to be noticed!
Also my radiator is not so old, it is 3 yrs old. |
OK so you can probably rule out the head gasket.
So you're back on the rad. Depending on the quality 3 years might be good! You said in an earlier post that this was a "Value" rad ... did you mean Valeo?
Problem is, manufacturers are resorting to cheaper ways to make these ... so for them as long as it survives the 12 month guarantee period, they aren't that fussed. Or you could just have had a Friday afternoon one that was rushed. I had to get one changed in my 206 within two years! And that was the original fitment from Peugeot. It started to leak where the core and the plastic meet. Luckily it was still in warranty.
You also mentioned you were using Green coolant ... that's basic antifreeze I think. You should be using a proper coolant mix of the right proportions which has the necessary inhibitors. Relying on plain water isn't going to be good for it either as that will only cause corrosion and the water channels in new radiators are very small.
Also check the filler cap ... when the engine is hot, listen carefully near the filler cap. I replaced the expansion tank on one car where I could hear a slight air leak ... that was where my coolant was also leaking from!
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:57 am |
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Sounds like bite the bullet and get a pressure test. Though for avery small leak it still doesn't tell you where it is.
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:59 am |
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| hamed206 wrote: |
| wifes206 wrote: |
Check any pipes that return to expansion bottle make sure not blocked,
Also where they fit onto bottle.
As for water, how much you have to top it up with? |
Hoses are fine. It uses small glass of water (200ml) everyday.
I have noted that the problem is getting a little better because the climate has changed a little nowadays and became cooler. The car is still overheated, but it reach 110 after longer period of time. Most of time it goes around 100-105. |
Mine loses water .
Its the 0 ring that needs changing when you do the water pump on mine . Also it leaks at the front of the engine out or the side head were the rad pipe joins on . I can see clear build of crusty stuff . Also Blows all water out the exhaust if i over fill my coolant tank . Check the exhaust see if its blowing the water out .
Fill water tank up .(dont over fill it )Start car let it idle . Watch pipe at bk for white smoke . Moisture vaporising out tail pipe . If so head gasket !
Takes a month to empty all the water out on mine . Its also common for head gasket to blow and not mix oil & water .
Its leaking from somewhere !
Il fix mine when i get a clutch & a Full gasket set as its runs fine . Use car daily atm . No issues pulls like a train .
temps never go over 90 . Sits at 80 . I flick air con on in traffic to cool it more ( dont need to ) .as short filter under the bonnets loves sitting in hot air .
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:11 am |
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You got oil plenty of ?
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:12 am |
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By using plain water you don't get the crust forming so it it much harder to spot small leaks
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:08 pm |
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| gazza82 wrote: |
| hamed206 wrote: |
I have already performed point (2). As for the radiater, it need to be tested so. But nowadays while the climate is only reading 25C, the water leak became too small to be noticed!
Also my radiator is not so old, it is 3 yrs old. |
OK so you can probably rule out the head gasket.
So you're back on the rad. Depending on the quality 3 years might be good! You said in an earlier post that this was a "Value" rad ... did you mean Valeo?
Problem is, manufacturers are resorting to cheaper ways to make these ... so for them as long as it survives the 12 month guarantee period, they aren't that fussed. Or you could just have had a Friday afternoon one that was rushed. I had to get one changed in my 206 within two years! And that was the original fitment from Peugeot. It started to leak where the core and the plastic meet. Luckily it was still in warranty.
You also mentioned you were using Green coolant ... that's basic antifreeze I think. You should be using a proper coolant mix of the right proportions which has the necessary inhibitors. Relying on plain water isn't going to be good for it either as that will only cause corrosion and the water channels in new radiators are very small.
Also check the filler cap ... when the engine is hot, listen carefully near the filler cap. I replaced the expansion tank on one car where I could hear a slight air leak ... that was where my coolant was also leaking from! |
Hi gazza82, yes I mean valeo. Sorry for this. I already checked the filler cap and even tried a spare one I have but no hope. But why changing the expansion tank?
For thr coolant, someone at Peugeot was suggesting the red coolant. But for now I want to get it fixed first before I use a different coolant. Iam not sure if it is a plugged radiater but if it is, why flushing twice didnt work?!
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:13 pm |
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| Project2062014 wrote: |
| You got oil plenty of ? |
You mean oil in water? No.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:34 am |
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Expansion tank is plastic and can crack if over tightened You will hear if you get engine hot and listen..
Depends what you used to flush rad and hiw badly plugged up it is. Did you take rad out and flush through with hose etc the wrong way?
I think he meant normal oil in engine. Very low oil can cause overheating too.
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