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 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:21 am |
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Hi
I've just replaced nearside wishbone and offside driveshaft on a 2004 206 sw (1.4 petrol, MA5 box).
The driveshaft came from shaftec - having refitted everything, I find a problem - with the inner boot band clamp of all things
The crimp on the band clamp rides too high to clear the sump flange adjacent to the shaft housing.
My question is - is there an easy way to bring the crimp height back down without damaging the boot, or is there another workaround for this?
Should I remove the band ( possibly voiding the warranty ) and replace with a lower profile band? If so, how to remove it without damaging the existing boot?
Many Thanks
Jeff
(2004 1.4 206 sw)
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Last edited by JeffDee on Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:21 pm; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:13 am |
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Location: In the garage
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Pictures of clamp needed.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:17 pm |
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Hey Edward, thanks for your reply
I have edited the post to include a shot of the problem, where you can see the crimp butting against the sump flange.
Its one of those strong bands - its pretty thick and a dark colour
This is a stumbling block for me, but I realise many folks on here would sort it in about 40 seconds.
It sucks being a diy-er sometimes, doing jobs on a 'needs as' basis when you can't afford to pay a pro.
I ordered a tool from ebay which crimps and flattens the band at the same time. I'm still shy to use it.
I did turn the driveshaft a few times once it had been fitted. I was curious that it needed some force to turn it at a certain point in its revolution.
Well, I stopped doing that when I heard a 'pop' ( like a vacuum being filled ). On close inspection, this presented itself, straight out of left field, last thing i expected..
After that, i discovered a small amount of leakage from the inner lip of the boot.
The boot doesn't appear to be damaged, and the car has not been moved. I really hope I haven't screwed up, because i really need my peugeot back on the road asap.
That's why I turned to the luminaries on the peugeot forums. Any encouraging words or advice would be most welcome,
thanks in advance
Jeff
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:49 am |
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It does look unusually tall...how does it compare to the clip on the other shaft?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:21 pm |
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Hi Edward
I checked the inner clip on the nearside inner boot - it isn't a clip at all, but a slightly wider, continuous steel band, no join, I'm assuming pressed on when boot was factory fitted.
Having very limited time at my disposal, and having tried the crimping tool (which arrived yesterday), with less than satisfactory results, I bit the bullet and punched down the problem crimp (taking care not to damage the inner boot), which now clears the sump by a whisker - like maybe 1-1.5mm.
Took her out for a test drive, short journey (5-6 miles), all seems in order. Transmission seals have held up, wishbone and shaft operating fine, no leakage from boots.
Still not happy.
I realise shaftec must send a billion of these recon shafts out all day every day, why then did I get this problem? Unless I had a mint item for comparison, I can't firmly say whether this clip was incorrectly fitted.
Looking at the very limited clearance between sump flange and inner boot seal, and noting the plain band fitted on the nearside, I would have thought a similar low profile band would have been a necessity, and standard, on the off/side.
Such a small thing, which, if it fails, allows cv grease to spray everywhere and fails the major component as well.
I'm definitely going back under there asap, after I source a means of securing the boot seal which offers a much lower profile, warranty be damned, and I'm determined to get to the bottom of this.
If anyone cares to comment, I greatly appreciate your input. Thanks Edward for taking an interest. I realise us part timers must provoke many *facepalms* from those of you who do this kind of thing all the time, I'm just glad there is someone out there who doesn't mind offering advice. For someone like me it can be a real lifesaver, especially when the alternative is being off the road for months on end whilst scrimping around to cover garage bills.
regards
Jeff
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:04 pm |
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Joined: Apr 24, 2013
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Location: Near Portsmouth
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Have you contacted them and asked for advise as they might be ok with you replacing it or making it shallower.
Looks like it hasn't been finished tightening.
Try hitting it so it goes flat?
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:33 pm |
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Hi Leegsi thanks for your reply
You're suggestion of contacting shaftec makes perfect sense, and as soon as I can find a non trade contact for them I will deffo get in touch.
re knocking the crimp flat - I'm just a bit cautious doing that. I've given it a good few judicious taps with the punch, as much as I dare, and have taken it down by 3.5-4mm. Any more now and the band may simply snap, or, more likely, the boot seal will be damaged. I'll take that under consideration, thanks.
Good to have a second opinion on that, I know things can slip past qc after a minor mistake somewhere on the line, these things aren't unheard of....
Cheers for your input
regards
Jeff
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:24 am |
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Joined: Jan 29, 2011
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| JeffDee wrote: |
You're suggestion of contacting shaftec makes perfect sense, and as soon as I can find a non trade contact for them I will deffo get in touch. |
Your first port of call should be the supplier as they are who you have the contract with. If you got it direct from Shaftec, use their contact page or ring them 0121 3333555 info@shaftec
I wouldn't see a problem with hammering it. Use something like this (or blunt wire cutters) to hold the clamp together to stop it opening up. Also gives some protection to the boot
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:46 am |
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Many thanks for the reply Macca,
Yes, I have been in contact with the local suppliers, but just assumed they wouldn't take back the shaft, so never asked. I mean, I had the shaft fitted and everything back together before that little surprise hit me, and I spoke to two behind the counter people a number of times, but they didn't suggest anything really, and never mentioned the possibility of bringing it back.
Thanks for the contact info - very appreciated
And, since that makes two forum members advising me to just hammer the bugger flat, I think that's just what I'll do.
Cheers
Jeff
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:57 pm |
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The person who supplied it to you is responsible. You should be dealing with them not Shaftec. Your supplier should know that and don't let them fob you off.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:31 am |
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Joined: Jun 22, 2015
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Hi guys
I know its a very late reply, sorry - I sorted this problem in the end, I purchased a crimping tool from ebay, very cheap. I still had to bash it in a bit as it had already been crimped. Took the car in for alignment after these jobs. Boot and clamp are fine, and the Peugeot is running great. No further work required yet, apart from front pipe on exhaust, easily done.
That was a first for me, and I just wanted to come back on and thank you all for your input. Since solving this wee problem, I've done shafts and joints ( on a Mazda van ), fitted a few boots etc, and your advice gave me the confidence to charge ahead instead of dithering and being faint hearted.
macca1411, Leegsi, Edward, kandlbarrett, really really appreciate your time and help and hope all is well you in Pugland
Very best,
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